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Topic: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future

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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #42 on: November 24, 2021, 06:44:57 PM »
Billy Sims' senior season was not quite as good as his junior one.

Junior: 1,896 yards on 256 carries, 22 TDs, 7.41 yds/carry, 11 100-yard games, 4 200-yard games.

Senior: 1,670 yards on 248 carries, 23 TDs, 6.73 yards/carry, 9 100-yard games, 3 200-yard games.

And he had a critical fumble late in the Nebraska game at Lincoln, ending OU's comeback at about the Nebraska 5-yard line.  Of course, there would not have been a comeback without him.  Huskers won 17-14.
It was still a great season for him, though.
A lot of long-time OU fans/observers think that that '78 team was Switzer's best.  But it finished AP #3 after beating Nebraska 31-24 in the Orange Bowl rematch.
Sooners beat oSu 62-7 that year.  That was good.
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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #43 on: December 12, 2021, 08:37:41 PM »
Oklahoma State athletic director Chad Weiberg said the Cowboys athletic department hopes to continue the Bedlam rivalry with Oklahoma in all sports except football once the Sooners exit the Big 12 for the SEC. Weiberg, at the Sports Business Journal Intercollegiate Athletics Forum in Las Vegas, said Thursday that there are "unanswered questions" from a logistical standpoint that need to be clarified should the in-state foes be able to continue their series on the football field.

“I’m not saying we would never play them, but logistics need to be worked out," Weiberg said, per Brett McMurphy. "There are a lot of unanswered questions."

Oklahoma, along with Texas, is on track to join the SEC in time for the 2025 season, meaning the series' future beyond Fall 2024 is in jeopardy as it stands.
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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #44 on: December 13, 2021, 10:15:25 AM »
Oklahoma State athletic director Chad Weiberg said the Cowboys athletic department hopes to continue the Bedlam rivalry with Oklahoma in all sports except football once the Sooners exit the Big 12 for the SEC. Weiberg, at the Sports Business Journal Intercollegiate Athletics Forum in Las Vegas, said Thursday that there are "unanswered questions" from a logistical standpoint that need to be clarified should the in-state foes be able to continue their series on the football field.

“I’m not saying we would never play them, but logistics need to be worked out," Weiberg said, per Brett McMurphy. "There are a lot of unanswered questions."

Oklahoma, along with Texas, is on track to join the SEC in time for the 2025 season, meaning the series' future beyond Fall 2024 is in jeopardy as it stands.
I'm starting to think that it might really be 2025 before the move takes place.
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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #45 on: December 13, 2021, 10:36:22 AM »
Im sure theres a lot of legal positioning going on

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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #46 on: December 13, 2021, 02:51:08 PM »
I'm starting to think that it might really be 2025 before the move takes place.
Do you really think that the athletics departments can afford to allow our programs to sit around as lame ducks and get every bad call the refs want to throw our way, for three more years?  

Never gonna happen.  I still think it'll be Fall 2022, but at the very latest, it'll be 2023.

Im sure theres a lot of legal positioning going on



Yup.  They have to keep saying 2025 for now, because that's what the contracts say, and the lawyers aren't done with the exit negotiations yet.

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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #47 on: December 13, 2021, 07:07:48 PM »
Do you really think that the athletics departments can afford to allow our programs to sit around as lame ducks and get every bad call the refs want to throw our way, for three more years? 

Never gonna happen.  I still think it'll be Fall 2022, but at the very latest, it'll be 2023.
What do you know about the "18-months notification for early departure" requirement, and about the Big 12 saying that said notification has not been given?
Is that all a non-factor?
If it's a significant factor, it seems like 2023 would be the earliest we would leave.
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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #48 on: December 13, 2021, 09:29:12 PM »
I think it will be obvious that it’s time for all parties to move on. The remaining Big 12 schools get to split the exit money, take on new schools, and get on with life. It does nobody no good to just keep playing games for a conference that nobody wants to play. 

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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2021, 09:34:32 PM »
the TV guys with contracts may want to keep the content for another season or two
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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #50 on: December 13, 2021, 09:37:29 PM »
The tv guys with the contracts are the ones driving the whole realignment bus. 

They’re getting their stranded assets Unstranded. 

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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #51 on: December 13, 2021, 10:21:52 PM »
Fox wants their content

Fox doesn't like the SEC
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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #52 on: December 13, 2021, 11:09:56 PM »
What do you know about the "18-months notification for early departure" requirement, and about the Big 12 saying that said notification has not been given?
Is that all a non-factor?
If it's a significant factor, it seems like 2023 would be the earliest we would leave.
It's all just a negotiation, same as everything else.  Not sure why anyone thinks these contracts are any different than the previous ones.

Play it out in your mind, what happens if Texas and OU just leave in Fall 2022?  ESPN/Fox and the other partners pay the B12 their annual allotment.  The B12 withholds payments to Texas and OU for 2021/2022.

Texas and OU move to the SEC.  Their games are now broadcast via the SEC's contracts through ESPN and CBS (for one more year I believe) and then through ESPN alone beyond that.  ESPN and/or CBS sends in their crew to broadcast the game on ESPN or CBS, and at the end of the year, ESPN and CBS pay the SEC their contractually obligated money, and the SEC pays Texas and OU their portions of the annual allotment.

There are no Fox broadcast crews showing up to the gates in Austin or Norman or Dallas, there's no police that are going to force Texas or OU to allow a B12-contracted broadcasting crew to broadcast their games and pocket the money. 

There's also no way for the B12 to block CBS/ESPN from paying the SEC for games that involved Texas or OU, and there's no way for the B12 to block the SEC from paying Texas and OU for games played under the SEC contracts.

The B12 could try to sue Texas and OU, but realistically that's not how any of this works.  In reality everyone lets all parties know where they stand, what their plans are, and the exit negotiations are performed to settle the money.

Fox wants their content

Fox doesn't like the SEC

Fox's contract is with the B12, not with Texas or OU.  Texas and OU are not legally bound to Fox through anything other than their participation in the B12.  And that participation is the contract that will be negotiated and liquidated. 

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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #53 on: December 14, 2021, 09:19:56 AM »
this is why the B12/FOX doesn't want to allow Texas to leave a year early

the Big 12 is bound by their contract with FOX to provide Texas/OU content.

it's going to get watered down soon enough, they just try to hang on to it as long as possible
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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #54 on: December 14, 2021, 09:30:12 AM »
Add to all that great information the fact that suing a state entity (kinda disingenuous to think of the Texas Athletic Dept as part of the State of Texas, but it is) is dicey at best, and there's lots of reasons to settle.

Our old friend "Pirate's Roost" laughed at the "Grant of Rights" agreement when it debuted. He was correct in every sense. 

My guess is it's more about giving the parties time to reset their future schedules than anything.

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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #55 on: December 14, 2021, 10:16:44 AM »
this is why the B12/FOX doesn't want to allow Texas to leave a year early

the Big 12 is bound by their contract with FOX to provide Texas/OU content.

it's going to get watered down soon enough, they just try to hang on to it as long as possible
The B12 doesn't need any additional pressure from Fox to want to keep Texas and OU around.  But it's not going to happen.  So this is where the attorneys come in.

The B12 television partners didn't want Nebraska to leave either, and yet it, too, happened, and with only one lame duck season.

 

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