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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #70 on: February 09, 2022, 08:42:10 PM »
UTs recruiting appears to be going well with 2 - 5 stars and 10 - 4 stars
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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #71 on: February 10, 2022, 08:24:50 AM »
The way Texas has been recruiting one would think they would be a 9-4 kind of team minimum.  I was really thinking about Herman as their coach, I thought he wouuld work out fine.

In my experience, even an average coach would be 9-4ish with that level of recruiting.

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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #72 on: February 10, 2022, 08:50:28 AM »
As our esteemed KSU representatives used to opine, trench ponies win games. Texas retained like 6 OL recruits over 4 total years. They brought in top talent, but it didn't stick around. The ones that did never developed. We cost a lot of brilliant RBs and QBs a mint full of money with substandard (charitably) OL play.

I believe in Kyle Flood and Sark. Not a lot of reinvention can be done during the season, so we'll see what a year in the program will do to grow the existing squad's skills. This year's recruiting class has a goldmine of OL talent, but they're at least a season away from their potential. Improvements will have to come from the kids already in the program.

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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #73 on: February 10, 2022, 09:28:20 AM »
As our esteemed KSU representatives used to opine, trench ponies win games. Texas retained like 6 OL recruits over 4 total years. They brought in top talent, but it didn't stick around. The ones that did never developed. We cost a lot of brilliant RBs and QBs a mint full of money with substandard (charitably) OL play.

I believe in Kyle Flood and Sark. Not a lot of reinvention can be done during the season, so we'll see what a year in the program will do to grow the existing squad's skills. This year's recruiting class has a goldmine of OL talent, but they're at least a season away from their potential. Improvements will have to come from the kids already in the program.

This is why I was desperately hoping the staff could find some solutions in the portal.  I'm not sure anyone's willing to wait another 2-3 years for Sark to develop an oline from scratch.  Not after that embarrassing 5-7 start.

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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #74 on: February 10, 2022, 10:00:23 AM »
As our esteemed KSU representatives used to opine, trench ponies win games. Texas retained like 6 OL recruits over 4 total years. They brought in top talent, but it didn't stick around. The ones that did never developed. We cost a lot of brilliant RBs and QBs a mint full of money with substandard (charitably) OL play.

I believe in Kyle Flood and Sark. Not a lot of reinvention can be done during the season, so we'll see what a year in the program will do to grow the existing squad's skills. This year's recruiting class has a goldmine of OL talent, but they're at least a season away from their potential. Improvements will have to come from the kids already in the program.

Both our 5 star recruits are Off linemen so at least we are trying to correct the problem
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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #75 on: February 10, 2022, 10:08:16 AM »
I'm a big believer in the lines as a priority, in the pros more than in college (where some super QB can compensate at times).

I can see that as a reason Texas has underperformed versus recruiting.

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« Reply #76 on: February 10, 2022, 10:52:45 AM »
Both our 5 star recruits are Off linemen so at least we are trying to correct the problem
They're definitely trying to fix the problem, which is a step in the right direction.  Now they need to focus on development and retention, which is something the previous three coaching staffs have failed miserably at for the past 15 years.  We haven't had a good offensive line since 2006.  We haven't had even an average offensive line since 2008.  That's a lot of failure over a long period of time.

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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #77 on: February 10, 2022, 11:27:35 AM »
The did beat UGA with a bad OL apparently.  UGA usually has a good DL.


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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #78 on: February 10, 2022, 11:37:12 AM »
The did beat UGA with a bad OL apparently.  UGA usually has a good DL.


well if Uga would have left Bevo alone ......
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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #79 on: February 10, 2022, 11:55:02 AM »
The did beat UGA with a bad OL apparently.  UGA usually has a good DL.


Yes, Texas beat Georgia with a bad o-line and a very good college QB with one good receiver.

You should probably be really embarrassed about that, but then again, it's tough to fret when you've just won the NC.

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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #80 on: February 10, 2022, 12:28:19 PM »
The big issue is that Texas has decent answers at both Guard and Center spots. Derek Kerstetter played RT reasonably well last season. He's graduated now, so essentially both Tackle spots are open.
Unfortunately, Tackle is the advanced level spot. If Andrej Karic spends the offseason working with the trainers, he's likely strong enough to challenge for RT. He's not ideal since he's not as tall or has the reach you'd like, but I believe a nasty disposition (that he has plenty of) overcomes minor physical statistics.
Which brings us to LT. That's almost certainly the jewel of the OL. It's a right handed QB's blind side. It's the pull and pin guy. The NFL pays LTs like they pay QBs. This guy can't fail. Last year, Christian Jones, who has every measurable you'd want, failed a lot. Some weren't his fault (TEs and RBs have to help in protection schemes), but too many times he wasn't fundamentally sound on his technique or assignment.
Like I said, not much can be taught to better techniques in-season (time needs to be devoted to game prep for the upcoming opponent). Texas' best hope is that he's an apt pupil, because I know Kyle Flood can show him what he needs. If Jones can be a reliable LT, the Texas OL can be one of the best.

Going from matching against 17 year old high school DEs to taking on 22 year old collegiate defenders just isn't reasonable. True freshman OL need time to strengthen and learn in a college system almost exclusively. There are a couple of newbies in this season's class that could see time at a Guard spot or possibly RT in a late game against a weaker opponent. It's hard to imagine a scenario in which Flood deliberately plays a true freshman at LT unless there's no one else available.
Texas recruited a premiere OL class. However, it's not realistic to expect any of them to help at the trouble spots next season.

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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #81 on: February 10, 2022, 12:48:53 PM »
Texas recruited a premiere OL class. However, it's not realistic to expect any of them to help at the trouble spots next season.
And that's our big problem.


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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #82 on: February 10, 2022, 03:56:43 PM »
As our esteemed KSU representatives used to opine, trench ponies win games. Texas retained like 6 OL recruits over 4 total years. They brought in top talent, but it didn't stick around. The ones that did never developed. We cost a lot of brilliant RBs and QBs a mint full of money with substandard (charitably) OL play.

I believe in Kyle Flood and Sark. Not a lot of reinvention can be done during the season, so we'll see what a year in the program will do to grow the existing squad's skills. This year's recruiting class has a goldmine of OL talent, but they're at least a season away from their potential. Improvements will have to come from the kids already in the program.
How many 4-star and 5-star trench ponies were signed, vs. retained?

It seems like Texas always recruits well.  At least per the recruiting rankings.

There was an article in OU-centric media about OU's recruiting classes dating back to 2010.  Nearly every year, OU had the #2 class in the Big 12.  I imagine that Texas was #1 in those years.
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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #83 on: February 10, 2022, 04:09:22 PM »
How many 4-star and 5-star trench ponies were signed, vs. retained?

It seems like Texas always recruits well.  At least per the recruiting rankings.

There was an article in OU-centric media about OU's recruiting classes dating back to 2010.  Nearly every year, OU had the #2 class in the Big 12.  I imagine that Texas was #1 in those years.

Yup.  It's embarrassing how much talent has been wasted at UT since the 2009 season came and went.  I genuinely feel sorry for talented players that sign with us.  

I'm hopeful our most recent coaching staff can do better.  I'll believe it when I see it.

 

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