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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #56 on: December 14, 2021, 10:19:04 AM »
Quote from: Mr Tulip on December 14, 2021, 09:30:12 AM
Add to all that great information the fact that suing a state entity (kinda disingenuous to think of the Texas Athletic Dept as part of the State of Texas, but it is) is dicey at best, and there's lots of reasons to settle.

Our old friend "Pirate's Roost" laughed at the "Grant of Rights" agreement when it debuted. He was correct in every sense.

My guess is it's more about giving the parties time to reset their future schedules than anything.
Exactly.  State entities have sovereign immunity and it's possible that Texas and OU could exit with ZERO penalties if they chose to invoke it.

But again, in reality, it won't come to that.  Money, settlement, move on.  It's amusing to me that fans of schools that already left the B12 with no muss no fuss, seem to think different standards should be applied to Texas or OU.

Second verse, same as the first.
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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #57 on: December 14, 2021, 10:25:26 AM »
Oh and man, I really wish PiratesRoost were still around.  I'd love to get his take on how all the contracts worked out, and on realignment in general.
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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #58 on: December 14, 2021, 10:36:09 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on December 14, 2021, 10:19:04 AM
But again, in reality, it won't come to that.  Money, settlement, move on.  It's amusing to me that fans of schools that already left the B12 with no muss no fuss, seem to think different standards should be applied to Texas or OU.

Second verse, same as the first.
yes, we all know how it has worked in the past with no reason to doubt it will be very similar for the 2nd verse

but, there was and will be some mussing and fussing

this is only a bit different in the severity that it will damage the B12 - perhaps ending it as we know it
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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #59 on: December 14, 2021, 10:38:52 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 14, 2021, 10:36:09 AM
yes, we all know how it has worked in the past with no reason to doubt it will be very similar for the 2nd verse

but, there was and will be some mussing and fussing

this is only a bit different in the severity that it will damage the B12 - perhaps ending it as we know it

B12 looks to be fine, honestly.  No reason the TV ratings shouldn't still beat out the PAC and the ACC.  The competitive level of football will certainly still be better than those two conferences.
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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #60 on: December 14, 2021, 11:39:44 AM »
I have a different expectation of what will happen to the Big 12's ratings once the exit occurs, but have no special knowledge. I'll wait and see like everyone else.
The Big 12 has certainly held itself out with the representation that they fixed the problem already.
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« Reply #61 on: December 14, 2021, 11:42:36 AM »
Quote from: Mr Tulip on December 14, 2021, 11:39:44 AM
I have a different expectation of what will happen to the Big 12's ratings once the exit occurs, but have no special knowledge. I'll wait and see like everyone else.
The Big 12 has certainly held itself out with the representation that they fixed the problem already.
I'm not saying the ratings won't drop, because of course they will.  

But I am saying I expect them to stay above the PAC and ACC. Will 3rd be enough to stay competitive with the B1G and SEC?  Probably not.  But the PAC and ACC are in the same boat, in even worse shape.
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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #62 on: December 14, 2021, 04:35:04 PM »
Riley has to save USC or the Pac 12 is trashed. OU kept the Big 12 pulse alive as long as it could (as Texas became less and less of a help). Someone in the new Big 12 has to be nationally interesting, and I'm not sure oSu or ISU can make that happen - particularly since they seem to be function of the current coaching staves, and both are long in the tooth.
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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #63 on: December 14, 2021, 05:47:51 PM »
easier for those head coaches and assistants to be sniped when the money's not there to retain the good ones
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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #64 on: December 15, 2021, 12:22:57 AM »
Quote from: Mr Tulip on December 14, 2021, 04:35:04 PM
Riley has to save USC or the Pac 12 is trashed. OU kept the Big 12 pulse alive as long as it could (as Texas became less and less of a help). Someone in the new Big 12 has to be nationally interesting, and I'm not sure oSu or ISU can make that happen - particularly since they seem to be function of the current coaching staves, and both are long in the tooth.
BYU just went 5-0 against the PAC including beating both USC and the PAC champ.  National relevance is relative.  They're already more interesting than the entire PAC, and they're really only the 3rd best team in the New B12.  I'm not trying to exaggerate or be obtuse when I say, I believe they're gonna be okay.
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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #65 on: December 15, 2021, 12:25:43 PM »
I think that the Big 12, version 3, will be OK.  It will gain Cincinnati, which will have one more CFP appearance than the rest of the conference has.

Re Lincoln Riley at USC, I don't know if he's the guy as HFC to take a program on the skids and rebuild it.  He hasn't demonstrated--hasn't had to demonstrate--that skill yet.

In taking over at OU in 2017, he got handed the keys to a Corvette.  He leaves it in 2021 running not as well as it did when he got it.  In fact, each year since his first one, it has run slightly worse than it did the year before, and the trend seems to have been accelerating.  CFP loss in OT; 11-point CFP loss; blowout CFP loss; non-CFP Sugar Bowl champs; non-Big 12 champs.

How well he'll do with a car with an engine that hasn't been run in several years will be an interesting thing to watch.
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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #66 on: December 15, 2021, 12:48:49 PM »
Yup, good point on Cincy, too.  I keep forgetting they're one of the new additions.





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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #67 on: February 09, 2022, 04:59:25 PM »
I never really know how a new coach will fare (duh).  Kelly at LSU?  Riley?  I thought the new Texas coach would have them up and running reasonably well by now.

Fickell has done a remarkable job at UC.  Huepel has Tennessee with a pulse.  
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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #68 on: February 09, 2022, 05:31:11 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 09, 2022, 04:59:25 PM
I never really know how a new coach will fare (duh).  Kelly at LSU?  Riley?  I thought the new Texas coach would have them up and running reasonably well by now.

Fickell has done a remarkable job at UC.  Huepel has Tennessee with a pulse. 
I mean, he's only had the one season.  I'm not sure what expectations should have been for Year One.

I will say that 5-7 with the worst defense in Texas history, came as a bit of a surprise.
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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #69 on: February 09, 2022, 08:29:11 PM »
I think it's fair to say that Sark is having to do something he had not done before--rebuild a Corvette.

The world of sports punditry seems high on Kelly at LSU.  I think it's terrible fit.  Fit isn't everything.  But it can smooth some rough spots.
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