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Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« on: November 22, 2021, 06:12:52 PM »
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Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future ahead of matchup with SEC-bound Sooners
Eli Lederman Nov 22, 2021 Updated 1 hr ago


STILLWATER — Ahead of the 116th edition of Bedlam, Oklahoma State coach Mike Gundy not only suggested that Saturday’s meeting between the seventh-ranked Cowboys and No. 10 Oklahoma could be the last in Stillwater for quite a while, but revealed pessimism about the rivalry continuing on at all after the Sooners leave for the SEC.

“I don’t think it’s a realistic thing that it’s going to happen based on the business side of Power 5 conference football, the Big 12 or the SEC,” Gundy said Monday. “That’s just my opinion on it. I could be wrong. I'm not getting that from anybody."

Gundy cited finances, the future of a 12-team Big 12 and non conference schedules planned years in advance among the reasons he doubts the football rivalry that dates back to 1904 will go on with OU no longer in-conference.

"I don't think it will (continue),” Gundy said. “I just don't think there's a business side of it. I don't make that decision. I guess Dr. (Kayse) Shrum and (athletic director) Chad Weiberg they can do whatever they wanted. Or the board I don't know who's involved in this.”

OU and Texas sealed their Big 12 exits on July 30 when the schools unanimously accepted invitations to join the SEC. The Sooners and Longhorns have publicly stated plans to honor their commitment to the Big 12 through June 30, 2025, when the conference’s grant of rights expires, but the schools are expected to pursue an earlier departure with UCF, Houston, BYU and Cincinnati set to join the Big 12 as early as 2023.

“We expect our rivalry to be as intense as ever, just like we’ve seen in other states,” OU athletic director Joe Castiglione said of Bedlam in July. “We will always value the special connection we have to Oklahoma State University."

The conference expansion triggered by OU and Texas’ impending exits will turn the Big 12 into a 12-team league and the conference is expected to split into six-team divisions. Gundy predicted Monday that the Big 12 will maintain its nine-game conference schedule when the four incoming schools join.

He also noted OSU’s future non conference schedule; the Cowboys have at least two non conference games scheduled in every season through 2029 and are contracted outside of the Big 12 as far out as 2037.

"We're scheduled out way longer than probably they'll keep me around here,” Gundy said. “So your financial commitments to buyouts and payouts are at an all-time high now.”

A nine-game league schedule and non conference obligations scheduled deep into the next decade spell a murky future for Bedlam in Gundy’s eyes.

"If you're going to go back into this game, you would be willing to play 11 (Power 5 teams) out of a 12-game season, which would be extremely difficult,” he said. “And from a business standpoint, we all know this: the more success in games you win in football is a huge revenue avenue for your athletic department and your university. Because the more you win in football, enrollment goes up. That's a fact. Marketing money goes up. There's a huge amount of money involved in that.”

“Do you want to risk some of that?”

Gundy took no shots at OU in speaking on Bedlam’s future ahead of one of the most high-stakes meetings between the schools in recent history. But he made clear Monday that the Sooners' place on OSU's schedule is no given once OU resides in the SEC.

“Whether you like it or not, I'm guessing that's what's going to take place,” Gundy said. “Now have I been in those discussions? No...but that would be my guess. But I'm going to do what Dr. Shrum tells me to do and I'm going to do what Chad Weiberg tells me to do."


It occurs to me that it might be more difficult for OSU than OU to maintain Bedlam. Many of OU's OOC opponents scheduled for future seasons are SEC teams.  Those games will either not be played or they'll be folded into the SEC schedule.  Either way, it opens up an OOC slot.  The same thing does not happen to OSU.
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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2021, 08:07:05 PM »
regardless of level of difficult

if both sides want it to happen, Bedlam will be preserved  

Iowa / Iowa State

has been preserved, mostly because of the state law makers
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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2021, 08:48:32 PM »
hey, sooners finally get that 6:30pm time slot

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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2021, 09:12:55 PM »
They'd be happy with 11:00 this week, I think.
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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2021, 10:06:25 PM »
regardless of level of difficult

if both sides want it to happen, Bedlam will be preserved 

Iowa / Iowa State

has been preserved, mostly because of the state law makers
Iowa-ISU is a bad and non-representative example.  Just like Florida-Florida State is a bad example, and Georgia-Georgia Tech and Clemson-South Carolina are all bad and non-representative examples.

In all of those cases, the rivalry is a longstanding OOC rivalry.  In none of those cases, is it a current longstanding in-conference rivalry where one team is now leaving the conference and forcing both teams to scramble on their OOC in order to maintain the rivalry.

The realistic, representative examples, are games like Nebraska-Oklahoma, and Texas-Texas A&M, and Kansas-Missouri.

And we all see exactly how those have turned out.

I believe Gundy is 100% correct.  But I think that eventually, when the OOC schedules can be worked out and synced up, the two teams will play each other for a home-and-home every ten years or so.

That's speaking specifically of football, of course.  It's easier to schedule as an annual OOC game/series in many of the other sports.

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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2021, 10:12:36 PM »
perhaps not the same as non con rivals, but now they will be non con rivals(same)

my point was, if the state government recommends they schedule an annual game or forfeit state funding, the game will be played annually

it's pretty easy, the accountants and $$$ always win 
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2021, 10:16:40 PM »
perhaps not the same as non con rivals, but now they will be non con rivals(same)

my point was, if the state government recommends they schedule an annual game or forfeit state funding, the game will be played annually

it's pretty easy, the accountants and $$$ always win
People said that kind of thing might happen with UT-TAMU but it didn't.  I don't think it's likely it would happen in Oklahoma either.

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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2021, 10:59:11 PM »
Former OSU head coach Pat Jones has a mid-day radio show.  I caught a bit of his opining on this subject today.  He hemmed and hawed, but I got the impression that he didn't think that OSU should push very hard to keep the series going.  He's always been against scheduling a loss, and OU has won over 80% of the time.
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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2021, 06:24:09 AM »
I would prefer to drop Tech from our schedule.  It has become a fake rivalry in my view.


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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2021, 09:39:08 AM »
"State funding" only really affects the academic side of the university system. The Texas Athletics Department sustains itself largely on the backs of massive football donations. It gives money back to the University itself. Undoing the endowments and permanent funds for the system would be a legislative nightmare. Maybe like 10 Texas legislators care, anyhow.

The Texas Legislature does so much dumb stuff that the population thinks they can do other dumb stuff.


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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2021, 09:43:28 AM »
"State funding" only really affects the academic side of the university system. The Texas Athletics Department sustains itself largely on the backs of massive football donations. It gives money back to the University itself. Undoing the endowments and permanent funds for the system would be a legislative nightmare. Maybe like 10 Texas legislators care, anyhow.

The Texas Legislature does so much dumb stuff that the population thinks they can do other dumb stuff.

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All true, and beyond that, these days the state's funding only provides around 15% of UT's annual budget.  The state could withhold every cent from UT's budget and it wouldn't affect operations all that much.

They could certainly pull UT's charter if they wanted to force the school into a specific action, but that would require an amendment to the state constitution.



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Re: Gundy pessimistic on Bedlam future
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2021, 09:48:15 AM »
yes, but we're not talkin bout UT

we're talkin bout OSU, I'd guess OSU needs the money (athletic and academic) and the game vs the Sooners more than just a little bit.

Well, unless T-Bone is still donating at a high level.

Coaches don't like to schedule a loss, but they don't always get to set their schedule.
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« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2021, 10:00:39 AM »
yes, but we're not talkin bout UT

we're talkin bout OSU, I'd guess OSU needs the money (athletic and academic) and the game vs the Sooners more than just a little bit.

Well, unless T-Bone is still donating at a high level.

Coaches don't like to schedule a loss, but they don't always get to set their schedule.

It's Gundy who is saying he doesn't think it's going to work out.  I agree with him.

If you believe the Oklahoma state legislature is going to intervene and force the game, well that's certainly an opinion you can have.  I don't believe that would happen, at all.

It's not 1956, that's not how this stuff works anymore.

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« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2021, 10:26:26 AM »
I have no idear what the state of Oklahoma may or may not do.  I just know what Iowa has done with their intrastate rivalry.  They protect it for the money and interest.

I also remember that Baylor was included in the Big 12 because of Texas state politics.

I'm just saying it's possible.  Not saying it will happen

I'd like to see the game played annually, but I'm just a poor dirt farmer from out of state
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