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Topic: Good Game, Horns!

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utee94

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Re: Good Game, Horns!
« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2019, 02:47:51 PM »
This is two games that the Horns have lost now, and after both of them, Horn posters here have managed to insinuate that the other team was cheating.
Not a good look.

Your own coaches as mentioned above by Thumper said they intentionally instructed OU players to cheat.  Is that a good look?  Good Lord, get over yourself.

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Re: Good Game, Horns!
« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2019, 02:58:41 PM »
OL was pretty disappointing overall.  According to my sauces, this stood to be the best ol texas fielded in some time.  They didn't get much push in the run game on the day.  I think the issue was part technical and part hustle, not so much talent.  If there's another rematch I'd expect them to do better, we'll see.
After rewatching the game, the Sooner DL just manhandled the Texas OL.  Gallimore had to be double teamed every time and he still got 2 sacks.  Perkins also required a lot of double teams. This let several twists come free.
One thing OU did very well was taking the horizontal passes away.  No more 7 yd cushions like last year.  Bookie did a great job of staying with Duvernay and turning those passes into losses or making Sam go to another read.
Like you said, if there is a rematch, I too would expect to see them clean things up.

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Re: Good Game, Horns!
« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2019, 04:25:17 PM »
Well, the refs would have to call it, first.  That would be the first stab at deterrence.

OU's o-line has held profusely since Mike Leach first installed it.  And they've not been called for it.  There's a certain point where, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.  I will say that I noticed our o-line holding some in the game this year, and don't recall them getting called for it either.  So perhaps we're starting to go there.

It's no different than the soccer-flopping, really.  Just another technique to get an edge, and if it's not going to have any negative consequences, why wouldn't you do it?

Sucks but that's the way it is.  Sportsmanship is long gone.


I started noticing in our game that the Horn LT (Cosmi?) has SUPERB holding technique.  And I don't mean that as a backhanded insult.  I was completely impressed with it....no shade.  He has NFL type holds, NFL level too.  When you get your hand inside the plates like that and grab some jersey, sure, it's technically a hold, but no ref is going to call that, and he does it as well as I've seen it done.  Can't stress enough this is not a joke.  He knows what he's doing, and it's good coaching.  

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Re: Good Game, Horns!
« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2019, 04:27:03 PM »

utee94

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Re: Good Game, Horns!
« Reply #32 on: October 15, 2019, 04:46:32 PM »

I started noticing in our game that the Horn LT (Cosmi?) has SUPERB holding technique.  And I don't mean that as a backhanded insult.  I was completely impressed with it....no shade.  He has NFL type holds, NFL level too.  When you get your hand inside the plates like that and grab some jersey, sure, it's technically a hold, but no ref is going to call that, and he does it as well as I've seen it done.  Can't stress enough this is not a joke.  He knows what he's doing, and it's good coaching. 

Like it or not, "inside the jersey holding" is nothing new, it's been an accepted part of the game for a couple decades at this point.  That's not what I'm talking about, at least, can't speak for anyone else.

There's a lot of other holding that gets by, or doesn't, and the inconsistency in how that part is called, or not, is what drives fans crazy.  Or at least, drive me crazy.

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Re: Good Game, Horns!
« Reply #33 on: October 15, 2019, 04:50:34 PM »
I'll provide an example-- this is what Mike Leach instructed his oline to do.  Consistently.  Regularly.  Every single play.  He did it at OU, and he did it at Tech.  This is not NFL-type "inside the jersey holding" which is common and widespread at the college level as well.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM28K2wg8dY


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Re: Good Game, Horns!
« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2019, 05:11:34 PM »
Like it or not, "inside the jersey holding" is nothing new, it's been an accepted part of the game for a couple decades at this point.  That's not what I'm talking about, at least, can't speak for anyone else.

There's a lot of other holding that gets by, or doesn't, and the inconsistency in how that part is called, or not, is what drives fans crazy.  Or at least, drive me crazy.

No, of course it's not new.  I'm saying Cosmi is the best I've seen at it in quite a while.  It is NFL level.  He knows exactly what flies and what doesn't.  Most college tackles struggle with that and either get greedy and get a flag, or they scare themselves off of it.  There is a delicate balance, and yall's LT has it.  

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Re: Good Game, Horns!
« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2019, 05:12:37 PM »
Your own coaches as mentioned above by Thumper said they intentionally instructed OU players to cheat.  Is that a good look?  Good Lord, get over yourself.
Heh!

I'm not accusing anyone of cheating, nor am I implying that my team doesn't do any of that stuff, so I'm not sure what it is I'm supposed to be getting over.

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Re: Good Game, Horns!
« Reply #36 on: October 15, 2019, 05:26:05 PM »
I've tried to be clear in stating that Texas lost because of poor OL play and a putrid defensive scheme executed in an even more putrid fashion.

"Cheating" is when you gain some advantage outside of the rules unavailabile to anyone else. I even stated that this is my favorite Big 12 official crew. They're not crooked or overly incompetent. On Saturday, they were inclined to let more holding go on and let the receivers battle the DBs. I only mention it because, on another day, the 6' 6" Texas receivers would have simply played jump ball against the defense.

Someone had a great description of the Orlando's Texas defense. I thought of CWS immediately. He described it as a German Field Marshall's plan - hopelessly intricate and tactically brilliant, but not executable by the players on the field.

And, while I appreciate the heroic efforts, it wasn't necessary for Devin Duvernay to attempt to return Every.Single.Kick. With today's rules, the 25 is a very generous spot. Take the free yards and save the uncertainty until the score and clock necessitate the increased risk.

And yes, Sam Cosmi is an elite LT. Part of being an elite LT is knowing how to grab a defender that didn't do his job right. As a defender, you keep those big boys off you. If they want to go shoulder to shoulder, lock them up and dance.

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Re: Good Game, Horns!
« Reply #37 on: October 15, 2019, 05:43:14 PM »
No, of course it's not new.  I'm saying Cosmi is the best I've seen at it in quite a while.  It is NFL level.  He knows exactly what flies and what doesn't.  Most college tackles struggle with that and either get greedy and get a flag, or they scare themselves off of it.  There is a delicate balance, and yall's LT has it. 

OK.  Well in that case, let me congratulate you since I felt your oline did a very effective job of holding onto our defenders as well! :)

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Re: Good Game, Horns!
« Reply #38 on: October 17, 2019, 10:41:26 AM »
Did they?  I don't catch that much unless a guy has gotten around his man and he's being held from behind.  The normal jersey grabbing stuff is not something I'm usually paying attention to.  

Both sides were definitely holding in the LSU/Florida game last weekend.  I didn't notice, but the fans from both sides have been posting some pretty damning clips.  Refs were lax on that one, but at least they were consistent and let it go both ways.   

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Re: Good Game, Horns!
« Reply #39 on: October 17, 2019, 12:46:57 PM »
They did a fine job I can assure you. :)

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Re: Good Game, Horns!
« Reply #40 on: October 17, 2019, 03:08:52 PM »
All part of our cheating package.

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Re: Good Game, Horns!
« Reply #41 on: October 17, 2019, 03:41:34 PM »
THERE ya go.  EMBRACE your SEC.

 

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