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CBS Top 25 Coaches
« on: May 10, 2019, 12:13:55 PM »
CBS ranked the CFB coaches and the Big 12 is represented pretty well 

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Matt Campbell: Here's somebody who is rising quickly, and I understand why, even if I think this is a little too high too quickly. I had Campbell at No. 22 on my ballot, as I admire what he's done at Iowa State in such a short amount of time. I just wouldn't put him ahead of guys like Ferentz, Cutcliffe, and others who have accomplished more for longer periods of time. Still, if I were hiring a coach to run my program right now, I'd lean Campbell over them, and I don't blame my colleagues if that's what they were basing their rankings on. 2018 rank: 30 (+11)




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Tom Herman: I get the feeling that Herman's going to be a lot like Malzahn in these rankings. If Texas has a good season, he's going to climb more spots than most. If Texas has a down year, he's going to drop more spots than most. I'd also like to predict that if Texas wins 10 games or more again in 2019, he'll be damn near cracking the top 10 of these rankings next spring. If he wins the Big 12 and beats Oklahoma, I guarantee it'll happen. 2018 rank: 28 (+11)
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Mike Gundy: When will my colleagues admire Gundy as much as I do? I had him at No. 5 on my ballot, and admittedly, that is probably a little bullish, particularly after a 7-6 season. Still, Gundy has gone 121-59 in 14 seasons with the Cowboys and 85-32 over the last nine years. The only thing missing is the conference titles, which I assume is a major reason my colleagues aren't as high on him as I am. Still, if I were running a program, there aren't many coaches in the country right now I'd hire over Gundy. 2018 rank: 11 (-1)
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Gary Patterson: With TCU going 7-6 last season, you knew Patterson's ranking would take a hit, but so much seemed to go wrong for the Horned Frogs last season that still managing to go 7-6 felt like an achievement. Of course, we've seen a few instances already where Patterson's TCU teams have something of a reset season and then immediately follow it up with 11 or 12 wins. Will it happen again in 2019? 2018 rank: 6 (-2)
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Lincoln Riley: This is another instance where I love the coach, but I can't rank him this highly myself. Not yet. I have Riley at No. 8 on my ballot, and I feel like that's very high considering he's only been at Oklahoma for two seasons. Plus, it's not like he inherited a program that was in shambles. That said, the Sooners have gone 24-4, won two Big 12 titles, reached the CFP twice, and have two different Heisman Trophy winners in Riley's two seasons ... so it's hard to argue against having him this high. 2018 rank: 15 (+11)

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Re: CBS Top 25 Coaches
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2019, 12:59:51 PM »

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Mike Gundy: When will my colleagues admire Gundy as much as I do? I had him at No. 5 on my ballot, and admittedly, that is probably a little bullish, particularly after a 7-6 season. Still, Gundy has gone 121-59 in 14 seasons with the Cowboys and 85-32 over the last nine years. The only thing missing is the conference titles, which I assume is a major reason my colleagues aren't as high on him as I am. Still, if I were running a program, there aren't many coaches in the country right now I'd hire over Gundy. 2018 rank: 11 (-1)
That guy doesn't know what a mullet-head doofus Mike Gundy is.


When asked if he had seen the OU victory over (IRRC) Ohio State, he ansered that he hadn't, because he had been hunting turtles.  Any coach who has two wins and a double-digit number of losses against his hated in-state rival, and says he was hunting turtles rather than watching said hated rival play a big-game opponent, is a doofus.
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Re: CBS Top 25 Coaches
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2019, 01:08:19 PM »
Well, he probably is a doofus, but I'm pretty sure he said that for the sole purpose of getting a rise out of Sooner fans such as yourself. ;)

Anyway, overall that looks like a pretty appropriate ranking of B12 coaches. 
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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2019, 01:30:08 PM »
Scott Frost barely makes the list at #25

this season is an opportunity to prove himself against the others on the list
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Re: CBS Top 25 Coaches
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2019, 03:06:16 PM »
As the author stated, the small body of work keeps newer coaches down the list.  
I like Mike Gundy and I think he is a very good coach but it seems to me he has gotten complacent and is content to be mid-pack.  
Herman is the one with a real chance to rise this year if he equals or betters last year's record.
Riley has very little room to move up and a lot of chances to move down.  
The new coaches at KU, KSU and TTU seem to be solid hires.  Les has nowhere to go but up at KU and I expect he will make an immediate improvement.
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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2019, 07:08:01 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on May 10, 2019, 01:08:19 PM
Well, he probably is a doofus, but I'm pretty sure he said that for the sole purpose of getting a rise out of Sooner fans such as yourself. ;)

Anyway, overall that looks like a pretty appropriate ranking of B12 coaches.
He definitely is a doofus, but I am sure you are right about his motivation for that comment.
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Re: CBS Top 25 Coaches
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2019, 06:40:07 AM »
How can folks rank coaches, other than to generate a pointless list for clicks?

The best coach might be someone with an 8-5 team with little talent.

I could probably coach Clemson and Alabama to 11-2.  I couldn't sustain that over time, probably.  I'd be deferring a lot.
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Re: CBS Top 25 Coaches
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2019, 08:27:21 AM »
It is hard to rank good coaches

but it is easy to rank bad coaches
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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2019, 08:34:47 AM »
Well, a "bad coach" could be someone who inherited a lesser talented team and can't make it up "in time".  But I agree with your point, one can look at say Butch Jones and see examples of poor coaching pretty clearly over the years, including stupid stuff he said in public.  The better coaches usually use "coach speak" and avoid over promising.

Maybe Snyder at KSU was the best coach in the country, I don't know, or Peterson at UW.

I thought Spurrier was an excellent game day coach.  He didn't like to recruit.  Urban Meyer won everywhere.  Saban wins when at a top program at least.  Dabo has earned some plaudits.  One could almost just post winning percentages by coach and rank them that way though, but it would overlook perhaps a great coach with lesser talent.

I do agree it's easier to spot a bad coach than a great one.
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Re: CBS Top 25 Coaches
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2019, 10:53:40 AM »
Barry Switzer said on many occasions that Bill Snyder is the best coach in the history of college football.

I concur with the comments on Lincoln Riley.  It's too early to rank him #4 in all the land.  He might be the best offensive coordinator, but as head coach he's also responsible for that horrific defense OU has put out on the field the last two years.

He's taken strong steps in the off-season to fix the problem.  We must await results.
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Re: CBS Top 25 Coaches
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2019, 11:30:53 AM »
One of the things that make a great coach is his ability to recruit 

If a coach cant convince mommy and daddy to let their child attend 

the coaches school then how can he be expected to create a winning attitude 

on the field


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Re: CBS Top 25 Coaches
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2019, 08:21:18 AM »
Mark Richt could recruit at a high level, but I didn't think he could often win against similarly talented teams.  Smart is recruiting at an even higher level, and thus far he needs to beat Bama for me to believe he's a really good coach.  One thing Dooley's teams almost never did was lose to an inferior opponent.  Richt's teams did.  Smart's so far have not after year one, but that's only two years worth.  They have had a couple embarrassing losses, but to good teams.

Brohm at Purdue is an interesting coach I think.  Brown at UNC will be interesting to watch.  Day at OSU.  Imagine they FLOP to say 10-3.
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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2019, 08:30:36 AM »
Mack was always a great recruiter
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Re: CBS Top 25 Coaches
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2019, 08:51:06 AM »
The various web sites have to be a bit creative in the off season to get clicks.  I suppose Athlon et al. have their own rankings.

Imagine your coach is pretty low but you like him a lot.  Does that change your opinion?  Do any of us really care about these rankings?

I stumbled across a PROJECTED AP preseason ranking.  Click city.  The Internet is wonderful.
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