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Topic: CBS Top 25 Coaches

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utee94

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Re: CBS Top 25 Coaches
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2019, 02:19:36 PM »
Mack's recruiting for his final 5 years or so was lazy at best, and downright awful some years.  Very few "hits" and way more "misses" which just shows you how stupid the recruiting rankings are.  

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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2019, 02:36:45 PM »
Mack's recruiting for his final 5 years or so was lazy at best, and downright awful some years.  Very few "hits" and way more "misses" which just shows you how stupid the recruiting rankings are. 
Macks last 5 years recruiting rankings were 6/2/4/2/17 respectively

win/loss record during that time was 42 and 22

It looks good to me

Now as far as development of personnel is concerned that may be another story
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Re: CBS Top 25 Coaches
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2019, 03:53:51 PM »
Macks last 5 years recruiting rankings were 6/2/4/2/17 respectively

win/loss record during that time was 42 and 22

It looks good to me

Now as far as development of personnel is concerned that may be another story
42-22 looks like crap to me, but it's not even the correct W/L record for Mack's final 5 seasons' worth of recruiting.  Mack's terrible recruiting was also a large part of the 2014, 2015, and 2016 teams that went 6-7, 5-7, and 5-7.  Counting those years, the record of teams with Mack's final 5 seasons of recruits on them was 9-4, 8-5, 6-7, 5-7, 5-7 for a total of 33-30.

So in reality you've made my point for me.  The recruiting rankings are complete crap.  Even 42-22 is a pretty terrible record for that level of recruiting ranking, but that's exactly my point-- those rankings are useless, because the moment a kid gets an offer from Texas, he jumps up a star.

The development wasn't nearly as bad as the evaluation.  Mack's lazy ass stopped actually bothering to recruit the best players, and he got into this mode of only bothering with players that were going to come to Texas anyway.  The results on the field were obvious and devastatingly bad.  

Mack gave up for the second half of his career, which is precisely why he was fired, and for good reason.  But one thing's for sure, I'm darn glad he brought Vince Young to the Horns, and that alone is worth having had him as our coach.


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Re: CBS Top 25 Coaches
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2019, 05:16:53 PM »
Its a little unfair to hang Strongs results on MB

Hell we couldnt even get the coin toss right under CS

and 42 wins over 5 years is an avg of 8 wins a year

Look you just didnt like MB and I get that 

but like it or not he was a great recruiter

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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2019, 05:55:52 PM »
I loved Mack Brown.

But he turned into a lazy, shitty recruiter at the end of his tenure.  There's just no denying that, it was widely known amongst all of the other coaching staffs in Texas and the B12 that didn't really even have to compete against Texas anymore. They were laughing.  I guess, so was Mack, all the way to the bank.

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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2019, 06:44:50 PM »
Mack sure let a bunch of great Texas HS QBs escape to other schools.  And QB play was seldom a strength for UT after 2009, when Colt McCoy's eligibility expired.
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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2019, 07:17:12 PM »
Mack sure let a bunch of great Texas HS QBs escape to other schools.  And QB play was seldom a strength for UT after 2009, when Colt McCoy's eligibility expired.
well at least we always had a good defense
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Re: CBS Top 25 Coaches
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2019, 07:25:15 PM »
Speaking of coaches who are good recruiters 

Herman Gets a contract extension

https://www.si.com/college-football/2019/05/23/texas-longhorns-tom-herman-contract-extension
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« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2019, 08:35:23 AM »
Mack sure let a bunch of great Texas HS QBs escape to other schools.  And QB play was seldom a strength for UT after 2009, when Colt McCoy's eligibility expired.
It's tough to blame him for Garrett Gilbert being a total bust, that kid was highly recruited by pretty much every college in the country, and if nothing else Greg Davis had a history with developing QBs pretty well so I don't believe that was the issue.

But after that, QB recruiting was a complete disaster.  

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« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2019, 08:36:29 AM »
well at least we always had a good defense
That's definitely what puzzled me most about Charlie Strong's tenure at Texas. I thought at the very least, he was capable of fielding a competent defense.  But... nope.

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« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2019, 09:12:03 AM »
That's definitely what puzzled me most about Charlie Strong's tenure at Texas. I thought at the very least, he was capable of fielding a competent defense.  But... nope.
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it was as if they lost their spirit to fight

Thats one of the reasons I like our current coach

He approaches games like hes in a street fight

The players have picked up on this and even have a little

swagger

assuming our QB stays healthy I think we are in for a very good year

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« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2019, 11:12:04 AM »
I believe it all flows together.

We worked a ton of miracles with Colt McCoy. He was a dynamic QB, and unfortunately a risky single point of failure. We rode him through the season his senior year, and darned near made it. An innocent hit on a routine option play changed college football as we know it. Without that hit that took Colt out of the game, Texas obliterates Alabama. Texas doesn't change anything, and Alabama goes on to be just a pretty good college football team.

Instead, Colt is lost for the game. Gilbert does his level best, but isn't ready for the big stage. Bama ascends to an unstoppable juggernaut, and Mack decides he's never again trusting success to one player. He begins to remake the Texas Longhorns into a physical Alabama team - a concept that the Texas high schools just aren't embracing. He tries to jam players into roles they're just not suited for. Gilbert never gets his feet under himself, and Mack gets ushered out.

Strong, for all his refreshing focus on team fundamentals, is a coach with little exposure to this big stage. His cupboard is bare, and his offense is a muddle of untrained linemen and speedy outside guys. With no clear vision, Big 12 defenses just squat near the ball and wait. His own defense works tirelessly, but just can't finish a game after the 10th 3 and out series.

Tom Herman is still learning his style, but he's been on the arm of knowledgeable leaders. He knows what it takes to win at this level, and has winning as his sole focus. The players are re-learning to hate losing. Every day, they can win or lose position battles, unit battles, training battles, etc. The game on Saturday is only one more contest. He's surrounded himself with like minded coaches. If a unit isn't producing, changes get made until it is - even if a coach gets moved on.

Texas will continue to grow. I am, though, curious to see what happens when one of the critical assistant coaches can no longer be money whipped to stay. Replacing talent will be a big test.

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Re: CBS Top 25 Coaches
« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2019, 01:16:17 PM »
Well if Im gonna get whipped it might as well be with money or maybe one other thing
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« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2019, 03:44:54 PM »
Well if Im gonna get whipped it might as well be with money or maybe one other thing
I mean, I'm pretty sure right now Orlando is good with his job. I know he's a loyal guy, and wants to see Herman get the program on solid footing. I'm not expecting him to run out the door immediately.

However, if he has head coach aspirations, someone will ask about him eventually. His creativity in using the players he has to counteract the Big 12's spread offenses has made this Texas rebuild look quick. It owes a lot to his techniques. Replacing him won't be easy.

 

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