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Topic: CBS: Ranking the 2019 college football bowl games, 39-1

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Re: CBS: Ranking the 2019 college football bowl games, 39-1
« Reply #98 on: January 01, 2020, 11:30:19 PM »
I think it's over, but I've been more wrong than right this bowl season
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Re: CBS: Ranking the 2019 college football bowl games, 39-1
« Reply #99 on: January 01, 2020, 11:50:47 PM »
The Dawgs could blow this fairly easily I think.  Their offense is not reliable this year.

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Re: CBS: Ranking the 2019 college football bowl games, 39-1
« Reply #100 on: January 02, 2020, 12:50:35 AM »
Baylor definitely should have punted.  Of course, the Baylor receivers should have caught the passes that hit them on the hands on 2nd and 3rd down.

Congrats on the win, CD.  Your depleted Dawgs were good enough to win tonight.
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Re: CBS: Ranking the 2019 college football bowl games, 39-1
« Reply #101 on: January 02, 2020, 07:27:56 AM »
I think that game could have ended otherwise with a few breaks.  Another season over.  Kind of disappointing.

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Re: CBS: Ranking the 2019 college football bowl games, 39-1
« Reply #102 on: January 02, 2020, 12:29:59 PM »
Congrats to Georgia on the win.  It was very, very easy to root against Baylor.  I know droog still likes that team, but I don't think I can ever forgive them for their bullshittery that continued to put young women in harm's way, for years.  I feel the exact same way about Penn State.  Really, neither should be allowed to continue playing football.

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Re: CBS: Ranking the 2019 college football bowl games, 39-1
« Reply #103 on: January 02, 2020, 12:48:46 PM »
Congrats to Georgia on the win.  It was very, very easy to root against Baylor.  I know droog still likes that team, but I don't think I can ever forgive them for their bullshittery that continued to put young women in harm's way, for years.  I feel the exact same way about Penn State.  Really, neither should be allowed to continue playing football.
To be fair, the football coach was around 10% of the problem. He didn't do the right thing when he should have. I blame him for that, and firing him was the only appropriate thing to do. The even uglier part is that Baylor had an administration that simply decided they didn't like the rules requiring them to put protections in place for sex assault complaints, and therefore would simply not. Sex assault is a pervasive problem on all college campuses. Baylor has it no better nor worse than any place else. However, their intentional decisions to disregard a law they didn't like meant that complaints that should have been investigated weren't. Women got hurt who should have been protected.

That said, the part of the Baylor fan base that continues to believe that the entire narrative, from criminal investigations all the way down to missed pass interference flags, are all the result of deep state collusion between The University of Texas, ESPN, the Trilateral Commission, Adam Weishaupt, and Campbell's Soup make it tough to support the cause.

Matt Rhule is a good coach. Baylor fell into a benefit when he agreed to come. How long he'll stay is another question entirely. This season, Baylor won a lot of 50/50 dice rolls that kept growing the win totals. They were a good team, but Texas Longhorn fans will remember the 1990 campaign as a team that overachieved - until they didn't. 2020 Georgia wasn't 1991 Miami, but the sentiment is the same.

Baylor improved their defense this season which enabled a lot of those close contests. A lot of that talent is graduating. We'll see whether the development continues, or if it was a result of the players themselves. On offense, the OL is limiting them. I can't see an immediate way to change that.

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Re: CBS: Ranking the 2019 college football bowl games, 39-1
« Reply #104 on: January 02, 2020, 01:44:57 PM »
Let's just play... after Baylor is booted out of the conference.

I can definitely agree with that.

Penn State should also be booted from the B1G and both should have their football programs disbanded permanently.  I'll never forgive win-at-all-costs programs that place their football programs above the safety of children and young people.  Never.  Jesus can forgive, but I won't.

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Re: CBS: Ranking the 2019 college football bowl games, 39-1
« Reply #105 on: January 02, 2020, 02:33:10 PM »
I'll never forgive win-at-all-costs programs that place their football programs above the safety of children and young people.  Never.  Jesus can forgive, but I won't.

I removed my post because I didn't like the vibe.  I guess you saw it.

But a "program" is a faceless entity, and the bad guys are history.

For now - until someone else turns the other cheek.  And it could happen anywhere.

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« Reply #106 on: January 02, 2020, 03:57:19 PM »
People always say things like, "it could happen anywhere" and I disagree with that.

That is to say, the assaults could certainly happen anywhere, but the win-at-all-cost culture of denial, excuse, and cover-up of foul play, does not exist everywhere.  It's an ingrained culture and it's rooted in the boosters and big money donors as well as the school and athletic administration.  Firing the coaches, athletic director, and even the school president isn't necessarily going to eliminate it.

Two years ago, Texas had two players that were accused of sexual assault, and the head coach immediately kicked them off the team.  They were later acquitted but the football program took zero chances and had a zero tolerance policy for sexual assault and other similar crimes.  I'm good with that.  Assaults can and have happened at Texas.  Having an athletic program complicit in it, isn't going to happen at Texas.


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Re: CBS: Ranking the 2019 college football bowl games, 39-1
« Reply #107 on: January 02, 2020, 05:44:36 PM »
And this is how it's supposed to work.

When any student on a college campus is accused of sex assault against another student, the complaint should visit the desk of the Title IX coordinator - which any school that accepts Federal funds (that is, all of them) is OBLIGATED BY LAW to have. Baylor's regents knew of this. They initially flat out rejected having a compliance department at all, then eventually created one - assigned as an additional duty to a professor. The office was a closet in a parking garage.

At any other University, the football coach just really isn't involved. The complaint goes from the police to the Title IX office, and the school's disciplinary process takes over. Your more astute football coaches will likely suspend a player from game activities if the complaint is credible, citing "a violation of team rules" or some such.

These assaults should have never been in Briles' hands, but they were. He failed by focusing on his team members' well-being first. Because he did this, more women were assaulted. For this, he should be blamed. Just getting fired didn't exact justice.

The root of these troubles was (and continues to be) Baylor's Board's outright hostile attitude towards Title IX obligations and their willingness to endanger their students over their views. Baylor's campus is no more or less safe than any other, and their athletes are no more or less dangerous than anyone else's. However, at every other institution, procedures are in place to identify assaults and to provide protections and remediation (such as is possible).

And once again, these things aren't conspiracy. When a school's governing board openly flouts Federal law, someone is eventually going to get hurt. When that happens, it will be found out and exposed.

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Re: CBS: Ranking the 2019 college football bowl games, 39-1
« Reply #108 on: January 02, 2020, 06:00:59 PM »
Ouch,  Thanks for that clear summary.  Not good.

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Re: CBS: Ranking the 2019 college football bowl games, 39-1
« Reply #109 on: January 02, 2020, 07:39:22 PM »
Sexual assaults should not be investigated by the Title IX Coordinator.  A sexual assault is a crime, not a breach of university policy, and it should be investigated by the people who investigate other crimes, whether that is the campus police or the local city police.

The way that Title IX is being administered is effed up in this regard.
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Re: CBS: Ranking the 2019 college football bowl games, 39-1
« Reply #110 on: January 02, 2020, 09:33:26 PM »
yes, the Title IX office, and the school's disciplinary process should hand these to law enforcement

I assume that is their duty under the law

how many priests have be convicted of felonies and put in prison?   Not enough?  and why not, are they not guilty?
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Re: CBS: Ranking the 2019 college football bowl games, 39-1
« Reply #111 on: January 03, 2020, 05:52:29 AM »

how many priests have be convicted of felonies and put in prison?  Not enough?  and why not, are they not guilty?
Obviously, it is one thing to be "pretty sure" someone broke the law, and another to prove BARD to a jury.  The threshold for conviction is pretty high.

I imagine a lot of the sexual assault cases come down to "he said/she said" (whatever pronoun is needed).  And that isn't enough in most cases sans other evidence.

 

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