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CharleyHorse46

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« Reply #70 on: September 20, 2017, 03:29:41 PM »
Junior, 'splain somethin to me like I'm 6 years old.

Who was the 1970s mainstream country music Willie & Waylon were rebelling against?

Ray Price? Charlie Pride? Charlie Rich? Ronnie Milsap?  Larry Gatlin?

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« Reply #71 on: September 20, 2017, 03:31:25 PM »
Conway covering The Knack?   Now you're just taking crazy pills.

Seriously, Willie's version of Time After Time is pretty good.
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« Reply #72 on: September 20, 2017, 04:25:17 PM »
Who was the 1970s mainstream country music Willie & Waylon were rebelling against?
I'm not sure Waylon, Willie, etc. were rebelling against anything, they were just expressing themselves and making music as it suited them.
My opinion is that outlaw county was dubbed as such due to the long hair and unshaven look - which was anti-Nashville up until that point.
As far as themes present in the music - Waylon's music didn't really change much over time.  Even his early songs had that renegade machismo, even when his look complied with the norm.

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« Reply #73 on: September 20, 2017, 04:30:35 PM »
My dad was the GM at KOKE-FM at the time, and his radio station promoted all the big concerts from Willie, Waylon, Kris, Jessi Colter, Johnny Cash, and so many others.
Now that is a seriously cool Dad job.  My Dad was a postmaster.  But he did take us to a filming of Hee Haw once.

CharleyHorse46

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« Reply #74 on: September 20, 2017, 04:33:58 PM »
Hmm...  okay.  Thanks, BC.

I met Waylon Jennings once.  He was still clean shaven then.  I was about 7.  Must've been about 1969.  My momma took me out of school and up to the record department at GC Murphy's in Hancock Center.  

That was circa 'Only Daddy That'll Walk The Line."

We hit it off.  He doted on me.  Probably cause my momma was one fine ass Okie who looked like Gene Tierney.

CharleyHorse46

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« Reply #75 on: September 20, 2017, 04:36:44 PM »
Now that is a seriously cool Dad job.  My Dad was a postmaster.  But he did take us to a filming of Hee Haw once.
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« Reply #76 on: September 20, 2017, 04:49:46 PM »
I'm not sure Waylon, Willie, etc. were rebelling against anything, they were just expressing themselves and making music as it suited them.
My opinion is that outlaw county was dubbed as such due to the long hair and unshaven look - which was anti-Nashville up until that point.
As far as themes present in the music - Waylon's music didn't really change much over time.  Even his early songs had that renegade machismo, even when his look complied with the norm.
Much in the same way I used to wonder what was the difference between Grunge music and Alternative music.  
I finally decided the former was the subgroup of the latter who didn't take baths.  

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« Reply #77 on: September 20, 2017, 04:53:01 PM »
Willie Nelson could wake up, stumble out of bed, trip over his guitar and then cuss, record it, and I'd buy it and love it.  

I won't pretend he's my favorite, but when I think the idea of music soothing your soul, he does that for me better than pretty much anybody.  

His Seven Spanish Angels duet with Ray Charles is one of my favorite things ever.  

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« Reply #78 on: September 20, 2017, 05:06:39 PM »
Much in the same way I used to wonder what was the difference between Grunge music and Alternative music.
Yeah I guess somewhere in the early 90's is when all that started (?)
Rock music was already a mockery by that point, as pretty boy "hair" bands littered up the scene with shallow, 3 minute, half-baked, wanna-be Kiss songs, each with a poor man's Van Halen guitar solo.
Then almost overnight, it went one of two ways.  Along came Metallica and Nirvana.  Then all subsequent bands started sounding like one of those two, and as far as I can tell, it's still that way.
I loved the late 60's, 70's, and some early 80's... back when you knew exactly who a band was because they all had a unique sound.  By mid 80's music was in the crapper for me.

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« Reply #79 on: September 20, 2017, 05:23:14 PM »
Speaking of country covers of non-country songs, Glen Campbell does a great cover of Green Day's "Good Riddance (Time of Your Life)"


https://youtu.be/fPpJT3QRRnk
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« Reply #80 on: September 20, 2017, 05:57:17 PM »
just so you feller's know, the 'outlaw' wasn't exactly their rebellious music, it was them thumbing their noses at the Nashville mechanism that takes personality out of music.... 

Kevin Welch spoke to me about his daughter (who endured a terrible accident last year about this time, surviving but short a limb).. she was contracted to write 8 songs, and did so.  after turning them in to the studio, they called her and wanted to discuss them.  they wanted to change key words- making the songs about religion, patriotism, and being vengeful toward her boyfriend...... because that was the direction, at the time, the studio's were pursuing.  Also, a few alterations would be made by the singer that purchased/recorded them, giving them credit for the writing.  

gotta love that shit.  

kevin welch wrote 'pushing up daisy's', and it was purchased by Garth Brooks for a princely sum- and key elements rewritten, and now GB has the accolades of writing it... but you can still find them on youtube by either performer... that machine- nashville- is being challenged by folks like Welch, along with RWH, reckless kelly, steve earle, ect... collectively called 'cross-sountry' or (humorously) 'outlaw country'... also 'Americana'.... and i could care less about any of this, i just dig the shit out of that genre whatever you call it.

and by the way- i got the youtube thing working again if'n ya didn't notice.  

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« Reply #81 on: September 20, 2017, 06:58:28 PM »
I think y'all have answered Slick's question pretty well.  It was the idea of being able to express yourself, and a rebellion against the Nashville machine that removed personality and individuality.

But there was also a very distinct, slickly produced "Nashville sound" that the outlaws didn't adopt.  Gatlin brothers certainly fell into that, as much as I loved them.  Ronnie Milsap, too.  Plenty of others.

But mostly, it was their attitude about the music machine in Nashville, that pushed them to record and promote their music elsewhere.


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« Reply #82 on: September 20, 2017, 10:04:57 PM »
no talk of Boren retiring on the Boomer thread?

a few months after Stoops retires

but, speaking of Waylon............. and song writing

The only two things in life that make it worth livin' 
Is guitars that tune good and firm feelin' women 


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« Reply #83 on: September 20, 2017, 11:37:00 PM »
I think y'all have answered Slick's question pretty well.  It was the idea of being able to express yourself, and a rebellion against the Nashville machine that removed personality and individuality.

But there was also a very distinct, slickly produced "Nashville sound" that the outlaws didn't adopt.  Gatlin brothers certainly fell into that, as much as I loved them.  Ronnie Milsap, too.  Plenty of others.

But mostly, it was their attitude about the music machine in Nashville, that pushed them to record and promote their music elsewhere.
The contrarian in me loves that.  But ironically*, Nashville is the only stronghold left out of the old music hubs that is still cranking out "music" as I think of it.  Not the bro-country BS, but everything else worth listening to for me is done there now.  Used to be my favorite musicians operated out of L.A.  Now if you record there your album is going to be pointed and clicked, copied and pasted together.  If you want live instrumentation and that big, fat analog sound, you're gonna do it in Nashville.  New York is toast as well.  All the artists who sprang from those hubs either moved with that trend, or else they're going to Nashville to do their records, which I find funny for some reason.  
*yes, I know I used "ironically" wrong.  I blame Alanis Morissette.  

 

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