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Topic: Blue Skies Ahead for the Crimson and Cream?

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Re: Blue Skies Ahead for the Crimson and Cream?
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2022, 12:07:43 PM »
So, back to Lincoln Riley, a.k.a. Muleshoe.  I thought that he was a good coach and at the same time thought that he would never win a national championship at OU.  His "safe" call to kick a FG in the 1st OT against Georgia in the Rose Bowl playoff game, and his continued defense of it afterward, told me that he did not have the cojones to win it all.  A lot of OU fans (probably most) disagreed with me.  And, even if I were correct (and I was), I couldn't hope that he would get fired.  On his watch, OU produced 2 Heisman winners and another finalist, won 4 straight conference championships, went to 3 CFPs, went 5-1 against Texas.  Even I realized that you don't fire a guy with that record.  But I did hope that he would get better.

Anyway, Muleshoe announcing he was going to USC, after his agent had spent half the season dropping teasers about LSU, angered me, because of his dishonest actions leading up to it, but it didn't leave me devastated.  And Bob Stoops coming on board to do whatever was necessary to provide continuity until a new coach was named and got up and running--including, as it turned out, coaching the bowl game--was a bigger positive than perhaps folks who are not OU fans understand.

Emotionally, the choice of Brent Venables was the best possible outcome.  The fan-base reaction has been that we will no longer have a defense that gets pushed around and at times looks clueless.  The team will be stronger and tougher.  Players will be developed better.  Standards of behavior on and off the field will be higher.  So far, it's all positive.*

Obviously, how the team performs on the field will be the bottom line.

* My one reservation, amidst the warm, fuzzy feelings, is about OC Jeff Lebby.  He didn't play much--if at all--but he was on the OU roster in the early '00s.  He got injured and became a student assistant.  After coaching a year at Victoria (Texas) Memorial HS, he became an assistant at Baylor.  Somewhere along the way, he married Art Briles' daughter.  He was at Baylor when all the ugly gang-bang activities on the football team were going down.  He was named by one of the rape victims as one of the coaches who was told about the actions and did nothing.  IMO, he's never come clean about this.  And, last I read, he still owns a "Support Coach Art Briles" website.

So, I have that reservation.  It's the same one I have about Tulsa's HFC, Philip Montgomery.  He came to TU from Baylor before the scandal broke, talking about how Art Briles was a "second father" to him.  Now he won't discuss the subject.
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Re: Blue Skies Ahead for the Crimson and Cream?
« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2022, 02:42:39 PM »
If I somewhat put myself in that situation, imagine I'm a somewhat junior young coach, and I hear bad rumors, what do I do?

Whatever it is is likely guarded, and careful, and with the intent of not burning bridges.  Later, looking back with a more complete picture, I might decide it's best if I don't try and explain because it could sound self serving if I did, and maybe I now think I didn't respond correctly, but did nothing really wrong.

Dunno.

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« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2022, 05:35:11 PM »
I get what you're saying, but with that maturity should come the ability to acknowledge the mistakes you made that allowed that rape culture to go on.  I haven't heard that acknowledgement.

OTOH, the consensus of opinion about him from the players and coaches he's dealt with since he left Baylor has been very positive.  I'd just like to see (from him and from Philip Montgomery) a glimmer of admission than he didn't handle the situation as well as he wished he had.

Sort of like I would have liked to see Muleshoe acknowledge that he erred in kicking the FG against Georgia in the Rose Bowl.

But coaches are loath to admit any sort of mistake.  They're like John Wayne's character Nathan Brittles in She Wore a Yellow Ribbon: "Never apologize, mister, it's a sign of weakness.”

EDIT: Here's a short commentary on refusing to apologize.
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Re: Blue Skies Ahead for the Crimson and Cream?
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2022, 10:06:15 AM »
Once you say "I didn't handle that as well as I wished I had" you're subject to follow up questions obviously.

Or you can try and bury it.  

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« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2022, 01:07:38 AM »
OU had 7 guys drafted over the past 2 days.  None in the 1st round, and 2 or 3 of whom should have stayed another year to improve their stock, so it was by no means an outstanding draft class.

But Texas had none.  Not even Dicker the kicker.

That astounds me.
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Re: Blue Skies Ahead for the Crimson and Cream?
« Reply #33 on: May 01, 2022, 11:31:14 AM »
you'd think the Sooners would have performed better with all that NFL talent
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« Reply #34 on: May 01, 2022, 04:38:38 PM »
you'd think the Sooners would have performed better with all that NFL talent
Heh!

All that talent was wasted when the HFC (Muleshoe) knew that he was on the way out the door.  And that making it into the Big 12 CCG (and potentially the CFP) would complicate things for his transition.

I don't know that Muleshoe threw those last two games, but I think that I could have called a better game than he did in the season-ending oSu game.
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Re: Blue Skies Ahead for the Crimson and Cream?
« Reply #35 on: May 02, 2022, 08:03:49 AM »
Texas and Auburn had no player drafted, it's less of a shock for Auburn but still ....

UGA had 15, 5 in the first.  One could argue they should have performed better.

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Re: Blue Skies Ahead for the Crimson and Cream?
« Reply #36 on: May 02, 2022, 01:28:50 PM »
OU had 7 guys drafted over the past 2 days.  None in the 1st round, and 2 or 3 of whom should have stayed another year to improve their stock, so it was by no means an outstanding draft class.

But Texas had none.  Not even Dicker the kicker.

That astounds me.
I remember in the fran years, things got lean.  We maybe had 1-2 guys drafted at the most.  Maybe we even had one year where we had none drafted.  The funny thing is that fran recruited Von Miller and Ryan Tannehill.  

I think we had 4-5 guys drafted this year, and one first rounder.  

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Re: Blue Skies Ahead for the Crimson and Cream?
« Reply #37 on: May 02, 2022, 02:00:56 PM »
Texas had very few Senior players headed to the draft. They were both the cause and the symptom of the 5-7 record last season. Previously full recruiting classes never made it to their Senior seasons. Most left the program. The 22-23 class won't be a lot larger. Most of them have left as well.

Players have to be excited about football. They have to love the game and their teammates. While the Longhorn logo and stadium held the interest of high schoolers when it came time to sign, it's clear that the atmosphere Herman and Co presented was toxic.

It'll take several seasons to get the roster fully stocked. The portal helped a bit, but talent will still need to be recruited and developed.

 

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