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Topic: Blue Skies Ahead for the Crimson and Cream?

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Blue Skies Ahead for the Crimson and Cream?
« on: January 30, 2022, 12:43:12 PM »
I'm feeling pretty optimistic about OU sports for 2022.

I believe that Brent Venables as HFC is an upgrade from Lincoln Riley.  The Sooners should play tougher and more disciplined football.  I think that Venables has assembled a good staff that can recruit as well as it can coach.  It's a good mix of young and old, black and white, OU alums and new blood.  I think Venables is the right guy to get the program prepared for SEC-style football.  If I had to pick a favorite for the 2022 Big 12 championship, it would be OU.  That's not to say that I'd take OU vs. the field, but the Sooners are my totally objective favorite. ;)

In men's hoops, Porter Moser has a relatively small and not greatly talented team.  But he's got them playing well, competing hard, and I see sunlit uplands lying ahead for the program.

In women's hoops, I think that Jennie Baranczyk is a great hire.  She has a team mostly of Sherri Coale's recruits, and she has them leading the conference race after yesterdays ugly-game win over Texas in Norman.

Men's and women's gymnastics should be right up there competing for NCs again.

Ryan Hybl has the golf program going well.

Then there is Patty Gasso's softball program.  It's been the best in the country over the past 10 years and is the consensus #1 going into this season.  And she's getting a bright, shiny new stadium.  In college softball, she is the equivalent of Nick Saban, but with a pleasant personality.

Disappointments: Baseball and Wrestling. OU has been very good in these two sports in the past, and there's no compelling reason that they can't be good again.  But they aren't.  Money, facilities, coaches, results--failure on all fronts.
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Re: Blue Skies Ahead for the Crimson and Cream?
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2022, 12:55:18 PM »
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Re: Blue Skies Ahead for the Crimson and Cream?
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2022, 06:56:08 PM »
Heh!

You horns have a one-track mind on that subject.
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Re: Blue Skies Ahead for the Crimson and Cream?
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2022, 08:35:42 AM »
Venables is inheriting a program not in the dumps, which is a bit unusual.

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Re: Blue Skies Ahead for the Crimson and Cream?
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2022, 11:15:49 PM »
I may be hijacking my own thread here, but I saw this posted on an OU board.  If the poster is legit, it's something.

It's addressed to our former head coach, now known affectionately as Muleshoe.


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You left OU 17 days before Early Signing Day, flipped a large number of committed players, and took the star transfer QB with you — after he waited damn near a month to announce — just a day before NSD.

Could you be any more of a disingenuous hack?
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Re: Blue Skies Ahead for the Crimson and Cream?
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2022, 11:17:17 PM »
Venables is inheriting a program not in the dumps, which is a bit unusual.
How so?  He's never inherited a program--in the dumps or not--before.
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Re: Blue Skies Ahead for the Crimson and Cream?
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2022, 12:19:20 PM »
Most new coaches come into a dumpster fire, that is a bit different this past year, but usually a coach is fired because his program is bad.

LSU, Florida, OU, and USC are not really of that ilk, but Tennessee was for example.

I wonder what will happen once OU and UT get into the SEC.  The landscape could be different then, maybe, but the shot at winning the conference inherently goes down.

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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2022, 05:05:01 PM »
Most new coaches come into a dumpster fire, that is a bit different this past year, but usually a coach is fired because his program is bad.

LSU, Florida, OU, and USC are not really of that ilk, but Tennessee was for example.

I wonder what will happen once OU and UT get into the SEC.  The landscape could be different then, maybe, but the shot at winning the conference inherently goes down.
Re your last point, I'm sure that's right.  Worse for Texas than for OU, if recent history (past 22 years) is a guide.
A lot of OU fans have been clamoring for a move to the SEC ever since the original Big 12 started losing members after the 2010 season.  I never have.  I didn't think that the Big 12-4+2 was nearly as good as the original version, but it worked in retaining the OU-Texas rivalry and as a vehicle to getting a good shot at the BCS/CFP.
If there was going to be a move--and the money situation seemed to dictate that there would be--I hoped that it would be to the B1G.
I still wish that that was the direction we were going.  I take Charles Barkley at his word: In the SEC, if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'.
My school has demonstrated several times that it can cheat and get caught.  I don't want any more of that, and I fear we will see it in the SEC.
The B1G strikes me as less of a shark tank than the SEC.  But that might just be because I'm closer to SEC country.
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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2022, 09:36:34 PM »
This may be naive of me to say and think, but NIL makes cheating the old fashioned way obsolete and stupid. Plenty of legal ways to get money into the hands of your players. And everybody is doing it, and those that aren’t will not be involved in the upcoming super league. 

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Re: Blue Skies Ahead for the Crimson and Cream?
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2022, 12:54:56 AM »
Yeah, NIL sort of makes my past worries a moot point.  But the impact of NIL hadn't been appreciated when I was worrying.
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Re: Blue Skies Ahead for the Crimson and Cream?
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2022, 12:59:19 AM »
I wonder if NIL will cause players to stick around and not go to the NFL early
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Re: Blue Skies Ahead for the Crimson and Cream?
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2022, 07:52:41 AM »
I wonder if NIL will cause players to stick around and not go to the NFL early
It would be one factor in such a decision, a first rounder probably still goes.

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Re: Blue Skies Ahead for the Crimson and Cream?
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2022, 10:32:58 AM »
I know the Texas Legislature actually wrote NIL legislation. It's extremely permissive. Anyone still using their old "under the table" networks is behind the times. It's far easier and more lucrative, at least in Texas, to do it the legal way. I believe the coaches making unprompted statements on the subject "doth protest too much", but I got no proof.
OU's big advantage in the Big 12 was always continuity. Ever since the mid 90's, when Stoops and Leach pieced together the pass-first dynamic, there's always been surety with the Sooners. Coaches and players would move, but the program was always assured that the man in charge would keep the talent going. 
That's not true right now. The head coach is gone, and both starting QBs are gone. A new staff is running the show (one hurriedly pieced together after all the other programs had their pick). Other starters left the program in their wake. 
Maybe this will work out. No reason to assume it won't. However, it represents a gross departure at a critical time for an OU program that never had doubts for 25 years. 

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Re: Blue Skies Ahead for the Crimson and Cream?
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2022, 10:46:02 AM »
I know the Texas Legislature actually wrote NIL legislation. It's extremely permissive. Anyone still using their old "under the table" networks is behind the times. It's far easier and more lucrative, at least in Texas, to do it the legal way. I believe the coaches making unprompted statements on the subject "doth protest too much", but I got no proof.
OU's big advantage in the Big 12 was always continuity. Ever since the mid 90's, when Stoops and Leach pieced together the pass-first dynamic, there's always been surety with the Sooners. Coaches and players would move, but the program was always assured that the man in charge would keep the talent going.
That's not true right now. The head coach is gone, and both starting QBs are gone. A new staff is running the show (one hurriedly pieced together after all the other programs had their pick). Other starters left the program in their wake.
Maybe this will work out. No reason to assume it won't. However, it represents a gross departure at a critical time for an OU program that never had doubts for 25 years.
Not sure about you Longhorns but nothing better I would like to see than OU suffer through a period of mediocrity and losing seasons.  Say, oh, for about 12 years to infinity would be fine with me.  

 

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