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utee94

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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #210 on: September 10, 2021, 01:03:49 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on September 10, 2021, 01:02:12 PM
it's only money

exit fee money

Yup.  Which invariably gets negotiated down to around 40% of the contractual obligation.


Right now Texas and OU aren't negotiating the timeline, they're negotiating the $$$.
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #211 on: September 10, 2021, 01:18:49 PM »
I predict that the Y will get to kick Texas in the seat of the pants one last time on their way out the door.
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #212 on: September 10, 2021, 01:48:09 PM »
If we played them they probably would.

But we'll be out of the conference when they start playing in the B12.
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« Reply #213 on: September 10, 2021, 01:56:56 PM »
OU will want to go ahead and get this last CC under their belt.  They won't be winning 9 of 11 anytime soon after this.  
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #214 on: September 10, 2021, 01:58:05 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on September 10, 2021, 01:03:49 PM
Yup.  Which invariably gets negotiated down to around 40% of the contractual obligation.


Right now Texas and OU aren't negotiating the timeline, they're negotiating the $$$.

I wonder how that's done.  What leverage do the exiting schools have to entice the enforcers of the contract not to extract every penny they're owed?  
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #215 on: September 10, 2021, 02:12:05 PM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on September 10, 2021, 01:58:05 PM
I wonder how that's done.  What leverage do the exiting schools have to entice the enforcers of the contract not to extract every penny they're owed? 

For the exit penalties, the problem is that the conference is trying to prove liquidated damages.  That's a really squirrely concept and is prone to all sorts of interpretations. So it always gets negotiated down.

And it's going to be even more difficult for the B12 to prove since it is known they're adding 4 new teams. 

And finally, public universities enjoy the benefits of sovereign immunity and really can't be sued.  So they actually have all the power.  Played out to an extreme end, a university like Texas or OU could just leave without any negotiations at all, and then the B12 would have to sue to try and recover some of the damages, and the university could claim sovereign immunity which prevents any kind of legal activity against the university, leaving the B12 with nothing.

In reality it would never come to that, but it does severely limit the upside potential for the conference, in negotiations with a state entity.
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #216 on: September 10, 2021, 03:57:25 PM »
It will be next fall as Marcus stated. OU/Tex will pay their exit money, which some will go to the new members to pay their exit money from the AAC. 

The remainder of the Big 12 schools of course will make less money in the coming years but they really have no choice. 
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #217 on: September 10, 2021, 05:34:33 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on September 10, 2021, 02:12:05 PM
For the exit penalties, the problem is that the conference is trying to prove liquidated damages.  That's a really squirrely concept and is prone to all sorts of interpretations. So it always gets negotiated down.

And it's going to be even more difficult for the B12 to prove since it is known they're adding 4 new teams. 

And finally, public universities enjoy the benefits of sovereign immunity and really can't be sued.  So they actually have all the power.  Played out to an extreme end, a university like Texas or OU could just leave without any negotiations at all, and then the B12 would have to sue to try and recover some of the damages, and the university could claim sovereign immunity which prevents any kind of legal activity against the university, leaving the B12 with nothing.

In reality it would never come to that, but it does severely limit the upside potential for the conference, in negotiations with a state entity.
Also in play is precedence.  None of the former members of the Big 12 had to pay the full amount of exit fees, they paid about 40%.
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« Reply #218 on: September 10, 2021, 05:37:49 PM »
Big 12 voted to add the 4 schools. 
Big 12 voted to add the 4 schools. 
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #219 on: September 12, 2021, 08:19:21 AM »
I think those four make sense and the B12 will survive, but with an asterisk a bit like what the Big East was like.

But no real football power on the list.  Still, should garner a decent TV contract.
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« Reply #220 on: September 12, 2021, 07:57:45 PM »
Texas might want to drag it out a few more seasons than they have to, after getting beaten into the ground by the Razorbacks. 

Not exactly one of the Powerhouse programs in the SEC, but they looked like Bama when they went up against the Horns. 
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #221 on: September 12, 2021, 08:06:31 PM »
Yeah, Texas needs to find something before going into the SEC West, it could get very ugly.

I'm guessing Bama/Auburn shift East.
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #222 on: September 12, 2021, 08:18:47 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on September 12, 2021, 07:57:45 PM
Texas might want to drag it out a few more seasons than they have to, after getting beaten into the ground by the Razorbacks.

Not exactly one of the Powerhouse programs in the SEC, but they looked like Bama when they went up against the Horns.
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Ive been saying to all who will listen that UT would not be that good this year

1st year coach and freshman QB 

but dont worry well be back

I guess you can say you guys are lucky you dont have any more Pac 12 games scheduled

man getting owned in your own house must sting
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #223 on: September 12, 2021, 09:28:33 PM »
I mean, with Alabama and Auburn going to the East, how scared is Texas supposed to be?  LSU is a trainwreck, a helmet with no teeth.  The Mississippi schools are the Mississippi schools.  Arkansas is known to occasionally put a nice season together, but they've never proven they can sustain anything.  A&M is who is left, and when have the Horns ever been scared of the Aggies? 

I'm not saying Texas doesn't need to do a ton of work, but sans the Alabama schools, the rest of the west is pretty meh.  
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