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Re: Beer
« Reply #686 on: May 18, 2023, 08:42:13 AM »
My Dad would let me have a sip of his Budweiser when I was ~10 (my Mom hated that).  Being used to sugary drinks, I of course thought beer was horrible.  I never thought I'd drink it, ever, but of course that changed.  I had my first pizza when I was 16, I went out with my sister and her BF to a pizza place, I thought pepperoni pizza was way too spicy.  I started liking beer in college because I had to, everyone else did, and it went pretty well with pepperoni pizza, which I also started to like.  (We had very bland food when I was growing up.)

I discovered Schlitz Dark at a place just off campus where I'd eat lunch and it went down pretty well too.  Then I fell into drinking with a dorm friend Friday nights, usually whatever 12 pack was cheapest, RW&B usually.  I tried to like wine, because it seemed to be a cool hip sophisticated thing to do, but it didn't taste good.

I recall in grad school I'd buy a bottle of Lancer's Vin Rose' in case I had a date I wanted to impress, I learned that cooking dinner for a date was a good idea.  That Lancers was high end stuff for me.  Mostly by that time I'd drink beer, we had a group who went to one bar every Thursday night for drinking, usually a Bid Light kind of thing.

My wine story is pretty typical, going through the various stages of liking wine.  I fell in with a couple folks who really knew wine and got interested, and then met more folks, and went to a wine tasting every Friday which really expanded my world of wine.

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« Reply #687 on: May 18, 2023, 10:44:28 AM »
I didn't really drink wine until I started traveling for work, after graduating from college.  3 months in France was my first big overseas trip, and my hotel bartender/sommeliere introduced me to all of his favorite wines, paired with his favorite foods, and I was absolutely smitten.

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« Reply #688 on: May 18, 2023, 10:54:26 AM »
My Dad would let me have a sip of his Budweiser when I was ~10 (my Mom hated that).  Being used to sugary drinks, I of course thought beer was horrible.  I never thought I'd drink it, ever, but of course that changed.  I had my first pizza when I was 16, I went out with my sister and her BF to a pizza place, I thought pepperoni pizza was way too spicy.  I started liking beer in college because I had to, everyone else did, and it went pretty well with pepperoni pizza, which I also started to like.  (We had very bland food when I was growing up.)

I discovered Schlitz Dark at a place just off campus where I'd eat lunch and it went down pretty well too.  Then I fell into drinking with a dorm friend Friday nights, usually whatever 12 pack was cheapest, RW&B usually.  I tried to like wine, because it seemed to be a cool hip sophisticated thing to do, but it didn't taste good.

I recall in grad school I'd buy a bottle of Lancer's Vin Rose' in case I had a date I wanted to impress, I learned that cooking dinner for a date was a good idea.  That Lancers was high end stuff for me.  Mostly by that time I'd drink beer, we had a group who went to one bar every Thursday night for drinking, usually a Bid Light kind of thing.

My wine story is pretty typical, going through the various stages of liking wine.  I fell in with a couple folks who really knew wine and got interested, and then met more folks, and went to a wine tasting every Friday which really expanded my world of wine.
Schlitz Dark was the first dark beer I ever had too. It was served at a pizza parlor about a mile off-campus in Norman. I thought it was really good. Maybe it was just good with pizza.
The waitress who was usually there was a fat but sexy Italian girl. She ended up getting murdered by her boyfriend. The pizza joint became something else long, long ago. But I can't drive by that site without thinking of that young lady.
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Re: Beer
« Reply #689 on: May 18, 2023, 11:00:58 AM »
I had no alcohol Monday and Tuesday, and last night I opened a Sweetwater 420 that hit the spot.  I'm pretty sure I got into wine and beer to "join the cool kids" more than the taste of it, initially.  Maybe we all did.  

I do my best now to really limit sugar, from what I've read the fructose is not good for us (and I know the HFCS stuff has about the same amount of fructose as table sugar).

I have not been so good at limiting alcohol consumption.

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Re: Beer
« Reply #690 on: May 18, 2023, 11:19:22 AM »
I guess beer developed in colder climes where grapes for wine wouldn't grow well, right?  The mythology about wine is that it started in Georgia (the country), or thereabouts.  Beer seems more northern to me, German etc.  

The Norse named NA "Vinland" because of all the grapes they found (or so it is said).  Those are a different breed of grapes, not vinifera, and the wine made from them is what is known as "foxy" (not in a good way, like ladies).

Beer back in the day probably wasn't all that good, but it beat water.

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« Reply #691 on: May 18, 2023, 11:50:49 AM »
I think the oldest evidence of beer on Earth was in Egypt, thousands of years back.

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Re: Beer
« Reply #692 on: May 18, 2023, 12:02:20 PM »
I did not know that, interesting.

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« Reply #693 on: May 18, 2023, 02:20:11 PM »
Heck, even older than Egypt.  There you have it.


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Re: Beer
« Reply #694 on: May 18, 2023, 03:36:01 PM »
I was surprised to learn the addition of hops is relatively recent.  Maybe that was added as a preservative and became a flavor component?

The History of Hops - Dogfish Head Alehouse (dogfishalehouse.com)

As any IPA fan will tell you, hops are an essential ingredient in modern-day beer. Hops – the female flowers of the female flower of the humulus lupulus plant – give beer distinctive aromas and hints of bitterness, and they also act as a natural preservative. It’s hard to imagine your favorite brew without hops. But did you know that hops are a relatively recent addition to the beer-making process?

Beer is thousands of years old – maybe up to 9,000 years – but the first known instance of brewing with hops didn’t happen until the Middle Ages. In 822 AD, the abbot of a Benedictine monastery in Picardy, France wrote down a list of rules for running the abbey – and it included collecting wild hops for making beer.

Beer Before Hops
So how was beer made before hops were added to the recipe?
Ancient brewers used a mixture of herbs (such as sweet gale, yarrow or mugwort) called gruit to give beer flavor and bitterness. Some herbs included in gruit also had preservative qualities to keep beer fresh.


The Rise & Rise of Hops
From the 11th century to the 16th century, gruit was slowly phased out as brewers started using hops more commonly to make beer. And by 1516, hops were literally the law in Bavaria: that’s when Duke Wilhelm IV wrote the Bavarian Beer Purity Law, stating that brewers in his realm only use three ingredients in beer: barley, water and hops.
In the United States, hop production was booming in New York in the 1800s, then it gradually started moving west. Today, Washington, Oregon and Idaho are major hop producers.

The Value of Hops
Hops are an important ingredient for modern-day beer because they:
• Clarify the wort during the beer-making process
• Help the beer retain a good head
• Add aroma and flavor, balancing the sweetness of the malt with bitterness
• Act as a preservative, preventing beer from spoiling during shipping and storage
Let’s raise a glass to the mighty hop!



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Re: Beer
« Reply #695 on: May 18, 2023, 03:52:56 PM »

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« Reply #696 on: May 18, 2023, 04:34:23 PM »
I was surprised to learn the addition of hops is relatively recent.  Maybe that was added as a preservative and became a flavor component?
Yes that's exactly what happened.

They mention some herbs that previously held that position: mugwort, yarrow, and sweet gale.  They don't mention another that was very common-- wormwood-- which is actually toxic and was ultimately outlawed in the production of beer (and absinthe).

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« Reply #697 on: May 18, 2023, 04:35:58 PM »
Yeah, wormwood contains a compound called thujone which is psychically active, and then some.

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Re: Beer
« Reply #698 on: May 19, 2023, 12:05:43 PM »
Pretty cool, we're actually discussing the topic.  I hope that isn't against the RULES ...

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Re: Beer
« Reply #699 on: May 19, 2023, 12:26:51 PM »
Speaking of, planning on going out to the Live Oak Brewery tomorrow.  Hooray, Beer!

 

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