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BrownCounty

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Re: 30-23 in the CCG
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2019, 08:58:47 AM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on December 16, 2019, 03:16:50 PM
LSU has a very good ground game and for OU to win they will have to stop it

I do think we have the 3 best teams in the playoff.  The thing is, we had to scramble thru unexpected outcomes to dredge up a 4th contender, and that happened to be OU.  But they are not in the same league as the other 3.  They're really only 50% a team.
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Re: 30-23 in the CCG
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2019, 01:16:14 PM »
Quote from: BrownCounty on December 17, 2019, 08:58:47 AM
I do think we have the 3 best teams in the playoff.  The thing is, we had to scramble thru unexpected outcomes to dredge up a 4th contender, and that happened to be OU.  But they are not in the same league as the other 3.  They're really only 50% a team.
Just curious.  Have you watched any of the OU games since the K-State loss?
I'm not saying OU is going to beat LSU.  The point spread seems reasonable to me.  But the notion spouted by the uninformed that OU has no defense is just false.
Or am I misreading you, and you are asserting that OU has no offense?
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Re: 30-23 in the CCG
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2019, 01:38:10 PM »
I'm guessing it's just a hook'em horn thing
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Re: 30-23 in the CCG
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2019, 01:41:48 PM »
Or a "don't confuse me with any actual evidence" thing.
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Re: 30-23 in the CCG
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2019, 01:48:24 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on December 17, 2019, 01:16:14 PM
But the notion spouted by the uninformed that OU has no defense is just false.
Or am I misreading you, and you are asserting that OU has no offense?

OU has a defense.  A defense that has no business on the field with the other three contenders.  That will bare itself out in quick time.

As far as offense, I think Hurts has done a lot of the damage with that Sunday afternoon jog that he has, which always seemed to go for about 20+ yards in the Big XII.  It won't work against the big dogs.  True, that leaves a salty RB and that hot shot WR.  But a QB who is not necessarily a dead eye passer.

There is no remaining team in CFB that merits matching up against the other three.  Including OU.
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Re: 30-23 in the CCG
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2019, 02:34:21 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 17, 2019, 01:38:10 PM
I'm guessing it's just a hook'em horn thing
Not a Horn thing because I don't agree with him. *shrug*
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Re: 30-23 in the CCG
« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2019, 03:16:33 PM »
It's amazing how, in college ball, players who couldn't do much by themselves can assemble to be greater than their sum.

CeeDee Lamb is that player for OU's offense. Jalen Hurts is an adequate QB by himself. However, without Lamb (and to be fair, without Calceterra and about 4 starting RBs and an OT), he becomes a pedestrian running threat who turns the ball over more often than is acceptable. However, any time Lamb is on the field, OU's offense becomes capable of an immediate TD because he's almost impossible to tackle. He pulls the defense far enough out of sync that running lanes for the QB opens up.

OU absolutely has a good defense. LSU's offense will look a lot like Texas' did. They have seen it before (but LSU's is obviously better).

This isn't a 5 game series. If you think that OU only has a 20% chance to win this game, then that 20% win probability only has to occur on the first game.
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Re: 30-23 in the CCG
« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2019, 03:36:18 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on December 17, 2019, 02:34:21 PM
Not a Horn thing because I don't agree with him. *shrug*
yes, but you're not a typical Horn.  You're a thinking logical type.
not the hate everything about Sooners type
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Re: 30-23 in the CCG
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2019, 04:23:38 PM »
Texas went 7-5 this season. The "typical Horn fan" thinks that there's no point in continuing the program any longer. We concede that all our opponents, even the ones that don't have a football team, are all vastly superior to our own. Everyone who has ever uttered the word "football" at the University of Texas is incompetent, deluded, and devoid of capability in every aspect.
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Re: 30-23 in the CCG
« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2019, 04:46:13 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 17, 2019, 03:36:18 PM
yes, but you're not a typical Horn.  You're a thinking logical type.
not the hate everything about Sooners type

Hey, how DARE you accuse me of not hating everything about sooners???  Them's fighting words!

Quote from: Mr Tulip on December 17, 2019, 04:23:38 PM
Texas went 7-5 this season. The "typical Horn fan" thinks that there's no point in continuing the program any longer. We concede that all our opponents, even the ones that don't have a football team, are all vastly superior to our own. Everyone who has ever uttered the word "football" at the University of Texas is incompetent, deluded, and devoid of capability in every aspect.

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Re: 30-23 in the CCG
« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2019, 06:47:04 PM »
Quote from: BrownCounty on December 17, 2019, 01:48:24 PM
OU has a defense.  A defense that has no business on the field with the other three contenders.  That will bare itself out in quick time.

As far as offense, I think Hurts has done a lot of the damage with that Sunday afternoon jog that he has, which always seemed to go for about 20+ yards in the Big XII.  It won't work against the big dogs.  True, that leaves a salty RB and that hot shot WR.  But a QB who is not necessarily a dead eye passer.
Oh no you don't!  You can't say OU has 50% of a team and then reasonably say that what you meant by that was some reasoned analysis that OU's defense isn't good enough to stop the 3 best teams in CFB.

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There is no remaining team in CFB that merits matching up against the other three.  Including OU.
Maybe that's true.  But North Carolina matched up pretty well against Clemson.  If UNC had made a 2-point conversion, Clemson would be a 1-loss team with its loss being worse than OU's.  And Texas seemed to match up pretty well against LSU.
I'm not predicting an OU win.  But each of those three teams could be beaten on the right day by a team that "has no business on the field" with it.
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Re: 30-23 in the CCG
« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2019, 10:47:14 AM »
Quote from: CWSooner on December 17, 2019, 06:47:04 PM
Oh no you don't!  You can't say OU has 50% of a team and then reasonably say that what you meant by that was some reasoned analysis that OU's defense isn't good enough to stop the 3 best teams in CFB.

OU has 75% of an offense and 25% of a defense.  Hence 50% of a team.

Big XII defensive stats be hanged.
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Re: 30-23 in the CCG
« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2019, 10:50:11 AM »
Quote from: CWSooner on December 17, 2019, 06:47:04 PM
And Texas seemed to match up pretty well against LSU.

Texas was physically and mentally in a different place before that game.  On a smaller scale, Texas losing that game had the same effect as losing the 2008 NC.  We went south.
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Re: 30-23 in the CCG
« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2019, 12:43:43 PM »
Quote from: BrownCounty on December 18, 2019, 10:47:14 AM
OU has 75% of an offense and 25% of a defense.  Hence 50% of a team.

Big XII defensive stats be hanged.
Your story continues to change.
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