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Topic: ~2022 MLB Thread~

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Re: ~2022 MLB Thread~
« Reply #504 on: October 06, 2022, 09:39:55 AM »
You're not good at baseball or maths, if you believe that. 
I'm not interested enough in the Dodgers to know the strength of their pitching staff.

I'd guess they have the dominant arms to win best of 5 and best of 7 series, but if not it's their problem.  They know the format and have been to the playoffs for 10 seasons straight.
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Re: ~2022 MLB Thread~
« Reply #505 on: October 06, 2022, 09:44:15 AM »
I think it very possible to have a dominant team for 162 games that isn't constructed for the playoffs that well.  The Braves showed this aspect for quite a long time in the 90s and 00s.  A team can be able to fully dominate weak and mediocre teams while struggling with other teams that have top flight pitching.

Then there is the observation that a team can be mediocre for half a season and then get hot for whatever reason.

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« Reply #506 on: October 06, 2022, 07:26:57 PM »
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« Reply #507 on: October 06, 2022, 11:22:42 PM »
I think it very possible to have a dominant team for 162 games that isn't constructed for the playoffs that well.  The Braves showed this aspect for quite a long time in the 90s and 00s.  A team can be able to fully dominate weak and mediocre teams while struggling with other teams that have top flight pitching.

Then there is the observation that a team can be mediocre for half a season and then get hot for whatever reason.
How can a team be "constructed for the playoffs?"

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« Reply #508 on: October 07, 2022, 09:39:24 AM »
I guess yer the one that doesn't know jack about baseball ;)
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Re: ~2022 MLB Thread~
« Reply #509 on: October 07, 2022, 02:16:18 PM »
I think if I constructed a playoff team, I'd want first a strong and deep bullpen, especially these days.  Then I'd want defense and speed, which tend to coincide.

The Braves very recently got its first (and only) complete game and sacrifice bunts of the year.  The game has obviously changed, they got hot in part because their bullpen was efffective with starters going 5-6 innings often as not, and defense keeping them in games late (usually).  

Obviously you'd love to have starters with names like Maddux/Glavine/Smoltz/Avery, but those guys only won the WS once in 14 tries.

Over 162 games, I'd go go more for starting pitching and power in the lineup.

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« Reply #510 on: October 07, 2022, 02:49:45 PM »
I think if I constructed a playoff team, I'd want first a strong and deep bullpen, especially these days.  Then I'd want defense and speed, which tend to coincide.

The Braves very recently got its first (and only) complete game and sacrifice bunts of the year.  The game has obviously changed, they got hot in part because their bullpen was efffective with starters going 5-6 innings often as not, and defense keeping them in games late (usually). 

Obviously you'd love to have starters with names like Maddux/Glavine/Smoltz/Avery, but those guys only won the WS once in 14 tries.

Over 162 games, I'd go go more for starting pitching and power in the lineup.
got to have a strong bull pin to win in the playoffs
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« Reply #511 on: October 07, 2022, 03:10:00 PM »
I don't think you can intentionally build for one or the other, but there are certainly things that matter more for one or the other.  Position flexibility, and organizational depth, to deal with injuries matter a whole lot in the regular season, and very little in the postseason.  If you only have 3 good starters in your entire organization, you can ride that a long way in the postseason.  I think the only thing that becomes more important in the postseason is bullpen depth.  You go to them earlier, and more often.  Regular season you can just have some innings eaters in there when you find yourself down 7-1 in the 5th

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Re: ~2022 MLB Thread~
« Reply #512 on: October 07, 2022, 03:12:51 PM »
I don't think any team builds for one or the other, but some teams fall into one side or the other.  You can't build for a playoff when you can't reach it, but once reached, some teams are better suited for it, and perhaps less suited for the 162.

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« Reply #513 on: October 07, 2022, 04:26:06 PM »
for the playoffs I'd go with 2 elite starters and a 3rd that was very good

Easier said than done, but you gotta have that Ace that is gonna go up against the opponent's Ace and win the ballgame. Or cause the opponent to shuffle his lineup so his Ace isn't up against your ace.

pair that Ace or two with a lights out closer and those bullpen guys that shutdown the 7th & 8th innings and you're set for a 5-game or 7-game series

Similar , on the offensive side, first 5 hitters are studs, you get your runs.

It's nice to have the 4th and 5th starting pitchers win some games in the regular season and the middle and bottom of your batting lineup score some runs and get a few wins vs less than great pitching staffs

that's reg season wins

in the playoffs to win 3 or 5 games in a series, ya gotta have the elite talent.  Especially with the arms.

similar with the NFL or the NBA
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« Reply #514 on: October 07, 2022, 04:42:02 PM »
Well I'm now 8-0 at the Jake,the Tribe(guardians) win today 2-1
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Re: ~2022 MLB Thread~
« Reply #515 on: October 07, 2022, 05:43:46 PM »
got to have a strong bull pin to win in the playoffs
What's the evidence for this?  Run prevention is run prevention.  
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« Reply #516 on: October 07, 2022, 05:45:16 PM »
for the playoffs I'd go with 2 elite starters and a 3rd that was very good

Easier said than done, but you gotta have that Ace that is gonna go up against the opponent's Ace and win the ballgame. Or cause the opponent to shuffle his lineup so his Ace isn't up against your ace.

pair that Ace or two with a lights out closer and those bullpen guys that shutdown the 7th & 8th innings and you're set for a 5-game or 7-game series

Similar , on the offensive side, first 5 hitters are studs, you get your runs.

It's nice to have the 4th and 5th starting pitchers win some games in the regular season and the middle and bottom of your batting lineup score some runs and get a few wins vs less than great pitching staffs

that's reg season wins

in the playoffs to win 3 or 5 games in a series, ya gotta have the elite talent.  Especially with the arms.

similar with the NFL or the NBA
How is any of this different from what every teams strives to have and what good teams have in the regular season?

You guys are just parroting what you've heard.  Where's the evidence?
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Re: ~2022 MLB Thread~
« Reply #517 on: October 07, 2022, 05:45:52 PM »
I don't think any team builds for one or the other, but some teams fall into one side or the other.  You can't build for a playoff when you can't reach it, but once reached, some teams are better suited for it, and perhaps less suited for the 162.
Which teams?  Do you have examples that support your claims?
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