~2022 MLB Thread~

[longhorn320]

https://deadspin.com/abolish-the-minor-leagues-1849337051

I read this article twice and still dont understand his gripe

Is he saying the manager is racist?

If the player is worth it he will be paid be someone else unless his agent is completely stupid

Getting rid of the minors to me is kinda like defunding the police

the minimum MLB salary is $700.000 a year

Its hard for me to feel sorry for someone making that much money

[ELA]

I read this article twice and still dont understand his gripe

Is he saying the manager is racist?

If the player is worth it he will be paid be someone else unless his agent is completely stupid

Getting rid of the minors to me is kinda like defunding the police

the minimum MLB salary is $700.000 a year

Its hard for me to feel sorry for someone making that much money

That was the weird unnecessary throw in.

I think his larger argument is that teams make uncompetitive moves at a larger rate in MLB, because you can always sell fans on the future.  And it's easy to convince owners to spend less money when you aren't competing.

Not an issue in NFL/NBA, because your draftees come in ready to play.  You don't trade a guy for a bunch of guys 4 years away from playing.  But the flip side is it's more obvious in MLB because there is no salary cap.  You see teams make noncompetitive moves all the time in the NFL, simply because they can't fit guys under the cap.

[longhorn320]

That was the weird unnecessary throw in.

I think his larger argument is that teams make uncompetitive moves at a larger rate in MLB, because you can always sell fans on the future.  And it's easy to convince owners to spend less money when you aren't competing.

Not an issue in NFL/NBA, because your draftees come in ready to play.  You don't trade a guy for a bunch of guys 4 years away from playing.  But the flip side is it's more obvious in MLB because there is no salary cap.  You see teams make noncompetitive moves all the time in the NFL, simply because they can't fit guys under the cap.

I think you are saying the article is saying the bottom goal is not to win a championship or go to the WS but instead to spend less money while keeping the fans happy

all I can say is that I have not seen this with the teams I follow but if it is happening its the owners money so he can do what he wants

[longhorn320]

As a fan of a team doing this feel free to switch your following to a more competitive

team

[ELA]

As a fan of a team doing this feel free to switch your following to a more competitive

team

The Astros are the reason every team tries this now.  They punted on like 5 years, and it worked.  Cubs too, to a lesser extent.

[ELA]

I think you are saying the article is saying the bottom goal is not to win a championship or go to the WS but instead to spend less money while keeping the fans happy

all I can say is that I have not seen this with the teams I follow but if it is happening its the owners money so he can do what he wants

No, I think too many teams treat it like championship or bust.  They force their fans to suffer through years of terrible product, to hopefully come out the other side as a champion.  The Astros did it, and have extended that run.  It worked for the Cubs, but for just a couple years.  But if you got rid of the associated minor leagues, and that you limited rosters to 40, I think you'd see a LOT less of it

[longhorn320]

The Astros are the reason every team tries this now.  They punted on like 5 years, and it worked.  Cubs too, to a lesser extent.

yes they did but the goal was very competitive 

they rebuilt the team with very carefully chosen young players  with some notable trade exceptions

as a fan we used to joke we needed at least an 8 run lead going into the ninth to feel comfortable 

We snatched defeat from the jaws of victory many times over

[FearlessF]

[Cincydawg]

GMs check the trade deadlines of course and think whether their team has a real shot if they make a move.  If they don't, they sell out and wait for another day.

[longhorn320]

No, I think too many teams treat it like championship or bust.  They force their fans to suffer through years of terrible product, to hopefully come out the other side as a champion.  The Astros did it, and have extended that run.  It worked for the Cubs, but for just a couple years.  But if you got rid of the associated minor leagues, and that you limited rosters to 40, I think you'd see a LOT less of it

sometimes its the only solution

if you have a team of old average players you have no ability to improve through trades

I guess I dont see whats wrong with using your farm teams for their intended purpose

allowing more players on the roster who are green and unseasoned wont work

in addition these minor league teams provide an ideal for an injured player to get full function again

[longhorn320]

GMs check the trade deadlines of course and think whether their team has a real shot if they make a move.  If they don't, they sell out and wait for another day.

thats correct but thats not really the point

the point is whats the best way to go from an average team to a very good

the farm system including minor league teams is a proven way and IMHO just expanding your roster and doing away with the minor league teams isnt near as good

It would be like doing away with college football and have folks just go from HS to the pros

[Cincydawg]

An average team can hit the trades and get lucky.  The Braves were under .500 when they did this last season.

MLB trade deadline 2021: Braves revamp outfield with deals for Jorge Soler, Eddie Rosario, Adam Duvall - CBSSports.com

[longhorn320]

An average team can hit the trades and get lucky.  The Braves were under .500 when they did this last season.

MLB trade deadline 2021: Braves revamp outfield with deals for Jorge Soler, Eddie Rosario, Adam Duvall - CBSSports.com

yep and Im not saying trades arent beneficial just that most teams dont have an inventory of tradable players to rebuild a team

[longhorn320]

unless youre the Yankees you have to practice "Moneyball" to a degree and select good future prospects to turn a team around in 2 to 3 seasons