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SFBadger96

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Re: ~2019 MLB Thread~
« Reply #126 on: October 10, 2019, 02:58:40 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 10, 2019, 02:52:59 PM
Not weird at all....the postseason produces a nearly random outcome.  The wild card system and before that, the division series, has skewed the baseball postseason more towards entertainment and further away from competition.
Yup. But it's what the people want...it's all entertainment, after all.

European top-tier soccer leagues have it right for selecting the champion: same number of games against all opponents, home and away, winner is the team with the best record at the end.

But that doesn't sell in the US.
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« Reply #127 on: October 10, 2019, 03:36:46 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 10, 2019, 02:52:59 PM
Not weird at all....the postseason produces a nearly random outcome.  The wild card system and before that, the division series, has skewed the baseball postseason more towards entertainment and further away from competition.
Some franchises find it more random than others.
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« Reply #128 on: October 10, 2019, 06:09:01 PM »
Quote from: ELA on October 10, 2019, 03:36:46 PM
Some franchises find it more random than others.
Yeah, still not an argument against randomness.  You flip a coin 100 times, you'll flip heads 7-8-9 times in a row at some point.  All a franchise can do is get into the playoffs as often as possible.  

The SF Giants happened to win 3 WS in 5 years, but were up-and-down.  An unlikely outcome, but it happened nonetheless.  The Dodgers have 7 straight division titles and 0 WS wins to show for it.  Also an unlikely outcome the other way, but it's happened.  


In repeated trials, the Dodgers' seasons are far more likely to pay off in WS championships than the Giants' seasons would.  Now, that doesn't help the Dodgers any in the real world, but nevertheless, it's still true.  
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« Reply #129 on: October 10, 2019, 06:28:33 PM »
Yeah, all I'm saying is the Braves and Dodgers failing to win a title isn't all that surprising.  Franchises have combined for 32 playoff appearances and 1 title since the early 90s.

Baseball is the one sport I'd be ok with that as opposed to rare success, but when you get it, winning a title.  Because baseball has the summer to itself so I'd rather be consistently good even if you don't get a title out of it, because when your baseball team sucks, there's nothing else to fall back on.  When your NFL/NBA/NHL/college sucks, you can generally just rely on one of those also being good.

But the Braves/Dodgers bowing out earlier than expected can't be surprising at this point
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« Reply #130 on: October 10, 2019, 07:17:30 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 10, 2019, 02:52:59 PM
Not weird at all....the postseason produces a nearly random outcome.  The wild card system and before that, the division series, has skewed the baseball postseason more towards entertainment and further away from competition.
Yep.

And that's exactly what expanding the CFP would/will do too.
Yet, for some reason, millions of people want that to happen.
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« Reply #131 on: October 10, 2019, 07:20:15 PM »
Because the masses want entertainment, even at the expense of some genuine competition.  




An argument could be made that it's due to our society becoming more shallow or spoiled or whatever.  I'm not making that argument, but it could be made.
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« Reply #132 on: October 10, 2019, 07:21:29 PM »
Quote from: ELA on October 10, 2019, 06:28:33 PM

But the Braves/Dodgers bowing out earlier than expected can't be surprising at this point

Why?
Because of the logo on their hats?  The Braves losing an LDS to the Cards in 2019 has something to do with their 14 straight division crowns and yet only 1 WS?  With entirely different players and management?



Oh, I'd love to hear that argument.
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« Reply #133 on: October 10, 2019, 07:39:06 PM »
ELA's comment is no more or less logical than an MLB fan saying in 1964, "Well, it can't be a surprise to anyone that the Yankees are back in the World Series."

The Yankees had been there 14 of the previous 17 seasons, so it was no surprise to see them there again.

The surprise was that they didn't make it back until 1976.

It may not be logical, but people are mostly not logical.
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Re: ~2019 MLB Thread~
« Reply #134 on: October 10, 2019, 09:16:30 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 10, 2019, 07:21:29 PM
Why?
Because of the logo on their hats?  The Braves losing an LDS to the Cards in 2019 has something to do with their 14 straight division crowns and yet only 1 WS?  With entirely different players and management?



Oh, I'd love to hear that argument.
I didn't say it did.  I just said when the Braves and Dodgers bow out earlier than expected I fail to be surprised anymore.  Are you?
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« Reply #135 on: October 11, 2019, 04:34:50 AM »
Well no one is LIKELY to win the World Series at the outset of the postseason...but someone has to.  So we shouldn't be surprised by anyone exiting.  The Astros were a game away, so both HOU and LAD exiting would have been a little unlikely...
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« Reply #136 on: October 16, 2019, 03:00:39 PM »
The Los Angeles Angels have reached an agreement with Joe Maddon to make him their next manager, the team announced Wednesday.

Maddon is expected to receive a three-year contract in the $12 million to $15 million range, a source told ESPN. He will be formally introduced by the Angels at a news conference next week.


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dern, I'm an Angels fan, but NOT a Maddon fan
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Re: ~2019 MLB Thread~
« Reply #137 on: October 16, 2019, 05:51:03 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on October 10, 2019, 02:58:40 PM
Yup. But it's what the people want...it's all entertainment, after all.

European top-tier soccer leagues have it right for selecting the champion: same number of games against all opponents, home and away, winner is the team with the best record at the end.

But that doesn't sell in the US.
I honestly wouldn’t mind an experiment in the NFL where each team played every team in their respective conference once and one crossover game with the other conference.  Best records at the end of the year end the year playing in the Super Bowl.  But I get why they do it the other way.  The more teams alive for the postseason the more fanbases that stay interested, etc.

But where I really don’t have a dog in the fight anymore in professional sports I wouldn’t mind just seeing the best regular season teams from each league/conference just meet in the championship.

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« Reply #138 on: October 16, 2019, 06:49:51 PM »
Quote from: Kris60 on October 16, 2019, 05:51:03 PM
I honestly wouldn’t mind an experiment in the NFL where each team played every team in their respective conference once and one crossover game with the other conference.  Best records at the end of the year end the year playing in the Super Bowl.  But I get why they do it the other way.  The more teams alive for the postseason the more fanbases that stay interested, etc.

But where I really don’t have a dog in the fight anymore in professional sports I wouldn’t mind just seeing the best regular season teams from each league/conference just meet in the championship.


Plus relegation gives teams at the bottom something to care about
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« Reply #139 on: October 16, 2019, 07:00:30 PM »
I'm all for no playoff series in pro sports unless you gut total # of games.  All of it is too much,  too many.

I wish each league would take a one year hiatus periodically.   
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