~2017 NFL Thread~

[betarhoalphadelta]

the guys assigning stars are pretty accurate when it comes to ranking WR's and CB's. Seems like the easy positions to rank though.

Where the star assigners really just shit the bed time after time is OL and QB.

Yeah, but I think the ranking guys tend to overvalue raw athletic size/measurables. Which is how some of the other guys slip through their rankings. I looked up Rivals and Antonio Brown was only 5'10" and 160# back when he was in HS. 
Usually RB/WR/DB/LB are the positions where raw athletic size/ability translates most directly to actual performance. 
QB is much more related to decision-making and ability to perform under pressure. As Jay Cutler said, he's a quarterback so he doesn't need to be great shape.
OL/DL is a crapshoot because it's hard to predict how a HS player's physical body will change when he gets to college and starts trying to put on "big boy" muscles. And OL specifically is as much related to how well a player can identify assignments in a fluid defensive environment as part of a cohesive unit with 4 other guys. OL in the NFL typically scores highest on the Wonderlic test, which suggests that there's a lot more to the position than pure athleticism.

[Mdot21]

Giants bench Eli Manning. Geno Smith to start. Wow. Always thought Eli was mediocre at best, but this feels a lot like McAdoo/front office scape-goating Eli for their horrific season and not taking blame.

[Mdot21]

Jimmy Garoppolo to make his first start for the 49ers against the Bears this Sunday. I don't know why they were waiting so long to finally play him, but it's here.

[betarhoalphadelta]

Giants bench Eli Manning. Geno Smith to start. Wow. Always thought Eli was mediocre at best, but this feels a lot like McAdoo/front office scape-goating Eli for their horrific season and not taking blame.

Yeah, if that's the case, it's ridiculous. McAdoo and the front office came into the year without doing anything to fix their offensive line. They've not had a suitable NFL running back for years. Then their WR corps became decimated by injury, which in Brandon Marshall's case, might have been addition by subtraction as it was comical that they even tried to sign him. Now their best WR is a rookie TE.
Eli's not a great QB by any stretch, but when you put him behind a terrible OL, give him no RB to hand off to and no WR to throw to, what would you expect? I wonder if Smith will give a 5-INT first half like Peterman did in Buffalo...

[Mdot21]

Browns WR Josh Gordon to make his first start this Sunday in what has to be 3 years.

I thought after that break-out 2013 season he'd go on to be one of the best WR's in the NFL for a decade. Boy was I wrong.

I thought after Braylon's break-out 2007 season that he'd go on to be one of the best WR's in the NFL for a decade. Boy was I wrong.

What is it with Browns drafting supremely talented players at the wide receiver position that are complete a-holes? Oh wait, that's right...they're the Cleveland Browns.

[rook119]

He wasn't even anything like this at CMU.  He was an elite returner, but as a WR he never struck me as more than just a solid MAC WR.

I can now point to him being on that 2009 team that beat MSU, but honestly I remember Dan LeFevour, who had a cup of coffee with the Bears, being the much bigger factor.

At least Julio was an all world Bama player.

I remember watching him. LeFevour was more integral to their success because well QB but he was really good at CMU. Had seasons of 102, 93 and 110 catches and went pro early. 

[Mdot21]

why can't I quit the Lions?

[FearlessF]

this just in....

Case Keenum is pretty good and the Viking's  defense is solid

[Mdot21]

this just in....

Case Keenum is pretty good and the Viking's  defense is solid

he's been pretty good for awhile. Going on 9-10 weeks maybe. Should probably win the NFL "Where the F#!# did he come from and play so well" Award of the year.

[ELA]

this just in....

Case Keenum is pretty good and the Viking's  defense is solid

He's gonna get paid...ala Scott Mitchell.
Prayer picked a fine day to suck.  And yikes, Rudock just discovered this ain't the preseason.

[Mdot21]

Keenum gonna get paid? I don't think anybody will offer him a ridiculous contract, but yeah he'll get paid.

Jimmy G in his first start for the 49ers goes 26 of 37 for 293 yards and pulls out a 4th quarter come from behind win over the Bears, 15-14.

I think Jimmy G gonna get PAID more. Franchise tag probably, so what's that for a QB in 2018? $26-27 million guaranteed THAT season. Lotta dough.

[FearlessF]

I've been telling my viking fan friends for weeks....

keep Bradford and Keenum

trade Teddy for a first round pick or a solid O-lineman now!  If you get a first round pick, take the best O-lineman.

don't know if Keenum's contract expires at the end of the season

kid can spin it like Bradford

this from a Viking fan that lived through countless horrible QBs with Childress and Frazier

gotta have a QB and a backup in the NFL

[Mdot21]

I've been telling my viking fan friends for weeks....

keep Bradford and Keenum

trade Teddy for a first round pick or a solid O-lineman now!  If you get a first round pick, take the best O-lineman.

don't know if Keenum's contract expires at the end of the season

kid can spin it like Bradford

this from a Viking fan that lived through countless horrible QBs with Childress and Frazier

gotta have a QB and a backup in the NFL

probably couldn't get anything more than a 5th round pick for Teddy. I'd rather keep him than have a 5th round pick.
Gotta have multiple back-up QB's in the NFL when your QB is Sam Bradford. That dude is made of glass.

[FearlessF]

5th round is what Teddy is worth, but as you know GMs get desperate and give much more than they should for marginal QBs

a second round O-lineman would really give the Vikes better O-line play or at least better depth along the o-line

O-linemen seem to be injured at about the same rate as QBs.  Gotta have a few in the wings