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Topic: Your Weekly Top 10 Poll (National)

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Mdot21

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Your Weekly Top 10 Poll (National)
« on: October 18, 2022, 09:12:36 PM »
figured hey, why not?

I've got...

1) Ohio State - still think this is the best all-around team with the best offense...and the fact they've been putting up video game numbers on offense without JSN- the best WR in the country and the best offensive skill player on their team - kinda nuts. We will find out a little bit more about their offense this week vs an Iowa D that is pesky- but not much about their defense as Iowa's offense well to put it lightly- sucks.
2) UGA - had some questions about them after they had a couple shaky weeks- but they've went back to burying bad teams after a closer than it should've been one vs Kent State and pulling out one they should've maybe lost vs Misery. This is a young team but loaded with talent on defense and has an experienced vet at QB, and UGA still has the best win of the season so far with their destruction of Oregon in Week 1.
3) Michigan - they have a nasty OL and DL. Both are better this year. Yup, you heard me right. Their secondary is deep and true frosh CB Will Johnson looks like a star in the making, only a matter of time before he has a breakout game and establishes himself as a star. JJ McCarthy is pretty damn good. Blake Corum & Donovan Edwards are explosive. Need to see way more out of their down field passing game if they want to truly compete with the top 2.
4) BAMA - this is a more mortal BAMA team than in years past. The OL isn't as dominant as it used to be. The WR's are meh- they don't have slew of 1st rd NFL draft picks there like they used to. The defense isn't quite what it used to be in large part because the secondary seems to have serious issues...BUT...they are still better than almost every team in the nation and can beat anybody because: Bryce Young is their QB. Oh and Gibbs is the best RB in CFB imo. Only guy I'd take over Blake if you ask me.
5) Tennessee - controversial spot maybe - but replay that game on a neutral site or in Bryant-Denny and BAMA wins 9/10 times. Tennessee is a great story and I was rooting for them like hell to pull off the upset- and that offense is legit high flying- but their defense is trash and they were pushed to the wire by a bad Florida team and almost lost in OT to a bad Pitt team playing it's back-up QB because: their defense is bad. They have a playoff caliber offense for sure- and a piss poor defense. They won't get past UGA imo and even if they do they will not be beating Bama in a rematch on a neutral site.
6) Clemson - kind of the inverse of Tennessee to me- especially now that their DL and secondary is getting healthy. Really high caliber high level defense...offense...not so much. Still think they need to make the switch at QB eventually. DJ Ugaleli (sp?) just isn't on that same level as the previous QBs Watson and Lawerence which is what vaunted them to #1 from a top 10 type program. The OMG 5* rookie Cade Klubnick might be that guy- but we just won't know until he plays...but what we do know is DJ definitely isn't that guy.
7) UCLA - don't look now but this is the surprise team of the year. Chip Kelly has QB DTR and RB Zach Charbonnet playing at an elite level and that offense humming. After back to back wins in which they handled business vs Washington and then Utah- they are getting hot. If they can go into Autzen and take down Oregon- this team could move up the list into the top 5 for me. 
8) TCU - the blow out win vs Oklahoma not looking so hot right now, neither is the 1 score win over Kansas- but they did beat a pretty good Oklahoma State team in OT and are undefeated. For now. Still think Kansas State knocks them off this weekend and Texas will knock them off in Austin. But for now- they are undefeated and my #8. 
9) Ole Miss - here almost by default as they don't have a loss. not really sold on them, but they are undefeated, so yeah.
10) Oregon - they've been playing a lot better but that beat down by Georgia just looms over. Have they bounced back? Are they for real? This weekend vs UCLA will be a real test of how good this team really is. Bo Nix in a big game = not someone that I would put my money on however.

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Re: Your Weekly Top 10 Poll (National)
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2022, 12:02:01 AM »
deeper dive on Tennessee's defense, they are...

47th in the nation in scoring defense
104th in total defense
129th in pass defense

that's not a recipe on defense for sustained success in going 15-0 or 14-1 (12 reg season, 1 CCG, 2 Playoff) and winning a 'chip. You don't need an all-time great level defense like UGA had last year to win it all- but you do need a probably top 20-25ish D in all those categories- as Ohio State found out the hard way last year.

Also: Tennessee isn't exactly great running the football. They are just OK. You're going to have an off day when that passing attack isn't clicking- and do you have a RB that can just take over a game or can you pound someone into submission on the ground when the QB is just having an off day or the WRs aren't bringing their A game and not getting open consistently or dropping balls. Don't think Tennessee has a RB that can take over a game (like BAMA has with Gibbs) nor do I think they can impose their will and just pound you on the ground like Ohio State or Michigan can with elite OL and great RB duos.

Tennessee is very much Diet Ohio State to me. They have a lesser QB, lesser RBs, a lesser OL, lesser WRs, and a lesser defense.

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Re: Your Weekly Top 10 Poll (National)
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2022, 01:07:18 AM »
UTK's running game is simply RB runs acting as a change-up and Hooker scrambling around like a video game.  
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Re: Your Weekly Top 10 Poll (National)
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2022, 01:16:41 AM »
Seriously, TCU?  I mean,  they’re good, but you’re giving the a Big 12 way too much credit. 

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Re: Your Weekly Top 10 Poll (National)
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2022, 04:02:31 AM »
Yep, like an 8 year old.....if you haven't lost yet, you're great!
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Re: Your Weekly Top 10 Poll (National)
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2022, 07:05:16 AM »
I think pollsters put too much emphasis on the outcome of games that could have gone the other way, easily, and too little on poor performances in wins.  

The good news is polls don't matter at this point.  A tougher thing would be to try and project what the final final poll would be.

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Re: Your Weekly Top 10 Poll (National)
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2022, 08:07:11 AM »
I think pollsters put too much emphasis on the outcome of games that could have gone the other way, easily, and too little on poor performances in wins. 

The good news is polls don't matter at this point.  A tougher thing would be to try and project what the final final poll would be.
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Re: Your Weekly Top 10 Poll (National)
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2022, 08:24:47 AM »
I think my list would be nearly pure guesswork, too many variables left, and uninteresting.  We all know the possibilities, and perhaps some probabilities.  Every "expert's" playoff prediction differs with others, and differs from what they had last week.

I lean to favoring Ohio State to win it all, but I did last season at this point as well.  I think UCLA goes 15-0 ....

... maybe not.

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Re: Your Weekly Top 10 Poll (National)
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2022, 08:29:35 AM »
Seriously, TCU?  I mean,  they’re good, but you’re giving the a Big 12 way too much credit.
They've only played 3 B12 teams, and they've also played 3 scrubs.  But Oklahoma State is a good win for them.  Who else in MDot's Top 10 has a better win than that?  Tennessee, and then...?

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Re: Your Weekly Top 10 Poll (National)
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2022, 08:33:59 AM »
They've only played 3 B12 teams, and they've also played 3 scrubs.  But Oklahoma State is a good win for them.  Who else in MDot's Top 10 has a better win than that?  Tennessee, and then...?
Maybe Michigan. We'll see what PSU is soon.
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Re: Your Weekly Top 10 Poll (National)
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2022, 08:38:10 AM »
1. Georgia
2. Ohio State
3. Michigan
4. Alabama
5. Tennessee
6. Clemson
7. Ole Miss
8. UCLA
9. Wake Forest
10. Oregon
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Re: Your Weekly Top 10 Poll (National)
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2022, 08:44:49 AM »
If we’re talking best/most impressive wins, I think Georgia has the best with their annihilation of Oregon. I’d put Tennessee’s win over Bama at #2, and Michigan’s ass whooping of Penn State #3. I think those were all more impressive wins than beating Oklahoma State in OT. I’d probably have that W at #4 on a best wins list though.

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Re: Your Weekly Top 10 Poll (National)
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2022, 08:47:44 AM »
I think my list would be nearly pure guesswork, too many variables left, and uninteresting.  We all know the possibilities, and perhaps some probabilities.  Every "expert's" playoff prediction differs with others, and differs from what they had last week.

I lean to favoring Ohio State to win it all, but I did last season at this point as well.  I think UCLA goes 15-0 ....

... maybe not.
Ohio State defense looks leaps and bounds better from last year and they’ve been putting up video game offensive numbers without JSN. That’s kinda scary to think of what it could be when he gets back. They are a better team this year imo simply because they’ve improved on defense.

You were the one calling UCLA. Have to give you major props for that. We were all sleeping on Chip Kelly. Maybe we shouldn’t have been. He might’ve flopped in the nfl but a lot of GREAT college coaches have. No shame in that.

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Re: Your Weekly Top 10 Poll (National)
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2022, 08:53:51 AM »
Maybe Michigan. We'll see what PSU is soon.
We shall see. I think Penn State is a 9-10 win team. Outside of Ohio State they should be favored vs the rest of their schedule. A pretty solid team but not quite a B1G title contender or playoff caliber team.

I could see Penn State going 10-2 with their only losses being to Michigan and Ohio State. They have to get past Minnesota at home this weekend and then their last 4 after Ohio State are Indiana, Rutgers, a Taulia-less Maryland, and Michigan State at home. Anything worse than 9-3 would be unacceptable with the money they’re paying Franklin and the recruiting classes he’s pulling in, and 10-2 would really be what they should go if they really are the 3rd best team in the conference. 

 

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