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Topic: Your Ideal Individual Season Structure

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MikeDeTiger

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Re: Your Ideal Individual Season Structure
« Reply #42 on: November 18, 2025, 09:29:49 AM »
I mean, is 2004 Auburn not a national champion?  They certainly think so…

Out of all the Auburn fans I know, none have ever claimed they were NCs in 2004.  They certainly think they were robbed of their chance to be, but that's different.  

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Re: Your Ideal Individual Season Structure
« Reply #43 on: November 18, 2025, 09:30:26 AM »
Went back and forth as to whether I'd want the SWC or not.

I think ultimately I'd go back to just before the ACC raided the Big East, but add ND to the Big East.

Playoff would be 7 best conference champs and 1 at large

So for 2003, you'd have

#1 Oklahoma vs. #11 Miami(Ohio)
#2 LSU vs. #9 Miami
#3 USC vs. #7 Florida State
#4 Michigan vs. #5 Ohio State*

But, and I know people would never go for it, I liked preserving the bowl tie-ins for the quarterfinals, then making the semifinals on campus, even though it would jack up seeding

ORANGE: #5 Ohio State* vs. #7 Florida State
FIESTA: #1 Oklahoma vs. #11 Miami(Ohio)
ROSE: #3 USC vs. #4 Michigan
SUGAR: #2 LSU vs. #9 Miami


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Re: Your Ideal Individual Season Structure
« Reply #44 on: November 18, 2025, 09:34:34 AM »
Prefer option #2, because I don't care to see Michigan/Ohio State play in the first round, right after they just ended the season with each other.  

Yawn.  

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Re: Your Ideal Individual Season Structure
« Reply #45 on: November 18, 2025, 10:06:25 AM »
you thought 97 UNL NOT playing 97 Michigan was fine?
Yep. 

Let the voters decide. 

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Re: Your Ideal Individual Season Structure
« Reply #46 on: November 18, 2025, 10:45:21 AM »
I've never been very impressed with the SWC as a whole.  I've stated several times that my CFB "timeline" started in 1996.  I knew almost nothing about it before then, and remember the internet was very much in it's infancy in 1996 so it's not like you had all the video and other things that you can instantly pull up or reference.  I didn't even really understand that A&M was in a new conference in 1996, I just knew we were in the Big 12 and that's about all I knew.  

But later on, in the following years, I learned a lot from on-line sources like this about the SWC and it's past.  I started looking into the members.  Rice, SMU, Baylor, UH, UT, A&M, Texas Tech (who I believe wasn't even a member until the 1970's).  Arkansas had already been gone for years by this point.  I'm sure I forgot a few schools, but it was very clear that nobody wanted the leftovers.  In fact, the only reason Tech and Baylor got an invite to the Big 12 was politics, nobody gave two shits about the rest.  TCU is the school I forgot about, but they pretty much had the best result out of all the former SWC schools, but it's my understanding that they either have a losing record in Big 12 play or very near .500.  Nobody truly believes they were that good in the 4 team playoff when they somehow beat Michigan and ended up getting smoked by Georgia but dems da breaks sometimes.

Rice should be Div II really. 
SMU-absolutely horrible for decades, only school ever given the death penalty.  Some success now but who knows how long it will last.  Coach will be poached any day. 
Baylor-horrible for decades, only got good when they hired a sex predator enabler as the HC. 
Texas Tech-about the only school with any promise across the board, never won the Big 12 in 30 years. 
TCU-losing record or near .500 in Big 12 play, very successful as a "conference wanderer" from 1996-2012.
Arkansas-never won the SEC in 35 years of play and never will.  
Texas obviously very successful at times
A&M-I wish they'd put us in DII :)
UH-I forgot about them too.  Nobody gives a shit, not even their fans.  
  

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Re: Your Ideal Individual Season Structure
« Reply #47 on: November 18, 2025, 12:53:51 PM »

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Re: Your Ideal Individual Season Structure
« Reply #48 on: November 18, 2025, 02:34:51 PM »
Well, it ain't this


https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1990614435413545279?s=20
I'm not thrilled about expansion and I definitely don't want to go to 24, that is WAY too many.  I think 8 would be fine but if we aren't reducing it from 12 (we aren't) then I think I'd like to see it expanded to 16 to eliminate the byes.  

Sixteen teams:
  • First round on campus sites of the top-8 in December.  
  • Quarter-finals at four traditional bowls on (or about) NYD.  
  • Semi-finals at neutral locations the Saturday after January 7 (ie between January 8 and January 14).  
  • NC on SATURDAY (but they won't) so the Monday nine days after the semi-finals (ie January 17-23).  

The reward for being a top-seed, instead of getting a bye, is getting a relatively easy game.  

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« Reply #49 on: November 18, 2025, 06:10:32 PM »
Yep.

Let the voters decide.
you're really not selfish
I didn't mind the voter's decision but,............. I really wanted to see that game
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« Reply #50 on: November 18, 2025, 06:41:36 PM »
you're really not selfish
I didn't mind the voter's decision but,............. I really wanted to see that game
Ok. Well the massive desire to see that game [and others like it] is what set the NFL-lite train in motion. 

This desire for an objective national champion is why we're at a 12 team playoff and potentially expanding. 

I feel like if you want to defeat this, the only way is to dig it out at the root. And the desire--which became a demand--to see 1997 Nebraska vs 1997 Michigan "settle it on the field"... Is the root. 

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Re: Your Ideal Individual Season Structure
« Reply #51 on: November 18, 2025, 06:43:51 PM »
maybe the root but 97 didn't require a 4-team playoff

94 Huskers vs Lions would have also been better
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Re: Your Ideal Individual Season Structure
« Reply #52 on: November 18, 2025, 06:59:51 PM »
Ok. Well the massive desire to see that game [and others like it] is what set the NFL-lite train in motion.

This desire for an objective national champion is why we're at a 12 team playoff and potentially expanding.

I feel like if you want to defeat this, the only way is to dig it out at the root. And the desire--which became a demand--to see 1997 Nebraska vs 1997 Michigan "settle it on the field"... Is the root.


So your ideal post season is from mid 80s to mid 90s? 

You like all the extra bowls that didn't exist before Cable television so that you can get to one with only six wins, but you draw the line at determining a NC on the field? 


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Re: Your Ideal Individual Season Structure
« Reply #53 on: November 18, 2025, 07:21:29 PM »
maybe the root but 97 didn't require a 4-team playoff

94 Huskers vs Lions would have also been better
Oh, but once you start the "playoff" idea, even if it's just the Bowl Coalition / Bowl Alliance / Bowl Championship series, you're virtually assured of expansion.

Because the reason the BCS expanded was that there might be worthy teams excluded. And the reason the 4-team CFP was expanded was that there might be worthy teams excluded. And now we're at a 12-team playoff, and they want to expand it not for the good of the sport, but for $$$. (At the expense of bowls, I might add...)

So your ideal post season is from mid 80s to mid 90s?

You like all the extra bowls that didn't exist before Cable television so that you can get to one with only six wins, but you draw the line at determining a NC on the field?
I actually also think bowl proliferation was a bit of a problem. Not that I harken back to the days that the only bowl a Big Ten team could go to was the Rose, but that literally any P6 P5 P4 team who got to 6 wins "deserved" a bowl. I don't like the fact that we have so many bowls that occasionally they need to be filled by 5-7 teams. That, IMHO, devalues the bowl system just as much as the CFP devalues the bowl system...

But my ideal postseason is bowls, not a CFP. College football doesn't need an objective national champion. That's what the NFL is for. 

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Re: Your Ideal Individual Season Structure
« Reply #54 on: November 18, 2025, 08:12:14 PM »
Rose
Orange
Sugar
Cotton
Fiesta
Peach
Citrus
Holiday
Outback
Gator
....and maybe the Sun, because of its longevity.

Bowls don't matter just as you're saying - they're infinite.  More of something makes it less special.
Having only top-25 caliber teams playing in bowls is best.  All together now:  EXCLUSIVITY!!!

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« Reply #55 on: November 18, 2025, 08:31:34 PM »
Oh, but once you start the "playoff" idea, even if it's just the Bowl Coalition / Bowl Alliance / Bowl Championship series, you're virtually assured of expansion.

Because the reason the BCS expanded was that there might be worthy teams excluded. And the reason the 4-team CFP was expanded was that there might be worthy teams excluded. And now we're at a 12-team playoff, and they want to expand it not for the good of the sport, but for $$$. (At the expense of bowls, I might add...)




College football doesn't need an objective national champion. 

we now know, the reason wasn't worthy teams and unfairness - it's was and always was about $$$

93, 94, 97 wasn't about an objective national champion in my mind, it was about matching the best opponents to produce the best game.
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