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Cincydawg

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #2114 on: May 12, 2022, 04:34:46 AM »
Russia: talks with Ukraine continue but not ready for in-person meeting | Reuters

I can't see enough common ground here to find a negotiated settlement.  What would one comprise that would be acceptable to both sides?  They seem very far apart to me.  Ergo, the "decision" will await further conflict and outcomes.  There may not be one for a long time.  Perhaps Putin leaves office and the FNG decides enough is enough and quits?

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« Reply #2115 on: May 12, 2022, 09:14:49 AM »
Russian President Vladimir Putin intended to seize all of Ukraine after beginning his unprovoked invasion, according to a Ukrainian official citing discovered documents.

The director of Ukraine's State Bureau of Investigation — basing his assertions on documents left behind by fleeing Russian soldiers — used Telegram on Wednesday to convey the message.

"[Found were] important documents of soldiers of the Russian Federation's Armed Forces that give a clear understanding that Russia was preparing to seize all the territory of Ukraine," Oleksiy Sukhachev said in the statement.


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« Reply #2116 on: May 12, 2022, 10:29:29 AM »
As previously posted here, the Kremlin's opening position on cease-fire negotiations was the posting of Russian troops on the Ukraine-Poland border. Riiiiiiight.

The best deals are ones that: 
A) are negotiated out of sight with all parties having a de facto gag order
B) both sides walk away thinking they got robbed

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #2117 on: May 12, 2022, 10:33:21 AM »
I don't see any possible negotiated peace at this point, it's ridiculous to claim the US has somehow prevented them from happening.  They will get to a cease fire at some point, probably to be broken quickly.  Ukraine wants its territory back, Russia doesn't want that to be where this ends at all.

They are FAR apart.

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« Reply #2118 on: May 12, 2022, 01:15:31 PM »
I don't see any possible negotiated peace at this point, it's ridiculous to claim the US has somehow prevented them from happening.  They will get to a cease fire at some point, probably to be broken quickly.  Ukraine wants its territory back, Russia doesn't want that to be where this ends at all.

They are FAR apart.
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« Reply #2119 on: May 12, 2022, 01:28:53 PM »
As previously posted here, the Kremlin's opening position on cease-fire negotiations was the posting of Russian troops on the Ukraine-Poland border. Riiiiiiight.

The best deals are ones that:
A) are negotiated out of sight with all parties having a de facto gag order
B) both sides walk away thinking they got robbed
it's pretty simple, the Russians have long viewed the NATO/Ukraine issue, the overthrow of Ukraine's govt in 2014 and the anti-Russian/US puppet govt that followed, and the fighting in the Donbas which started in 2014 (it didn't start today) as existential. It all means a HELL OF A LOT more to them than it does to the US- a declining imperial superpower which is halfway around the world on the other end of the planet 10,000 miles away from either of these countries. Russia shares an incredibly important and strategic impossible to defend land border of oh only, 1,400-1,500 miles with Ukraine- Ukraine was a part of Russia/USSR for a very long time before the fall of the USSR, Russia shares a commonality/history with Ukraine and the people of Ukraine dating back to the Kievan Rus' federation, anywhere from 20-25% of Ukraine's population is ethnically Russian, most of the population of the country speaks Russian as a 1st or 2nd language, and the two countries share deep cultural, economic, and even familial ties with one another and have for centuries. So yeah....Ukraine is pretty god damn important for a shitload of reasons to them- and literally not important to the US at all. Like whatsoever at all. Even Obama admitted this back in an interview in The Atlantic when he was pressed on why he refused to send lethal arms to Ukraine- despite his cabinet and the entire war machine in DC pushing him to do so. As much as I disliked the guy- it's sad to say- he was probably the last intelligent President we've had, and the scary thing is it'll probably be awhile before we have one even half as sharp. Russians will double down and dig in, they are not giving up on Ukraine just because the Americans are backing up the brinks truck to Ukraine- it's far too important to them.

All the US is doing by continuing to fund a proxy war to the tune of tens of billions of dollars, revive a WWII era lend-lease arms program, train Ukrainian special forces, and having direct involvement in targeting and missile strikes on Russia is doing is ensuring this war will never end anytime soon, ensuring there will be more death and destruction, and that Ukraine will continue to get absolutely leveled to the ground. And for what?

US and it's lapdog bitch boy joke of a country UK have been blocking any possible pathway for negotiations and potential peace, and now the US has Ukraine's head full having them change the stated war aims and talking about retaking Crimea.

This will lead nowhere but to Putin becoming more powerful inside of Russia and Ukraine being absolutely and completely leveled and blown to pieces and hundreds of thousands more dead and every city in that country looking like Detroit.

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« Reply #2120 on: May 12, 2022, 01:43:22 PM »


US and it's lapdog bitch boy joke of a country UK have been blocking any possible pathway for negotiations and potential peace, and now the US has Ukraine's head full having them change the stated war aims and talking about retaking Crimea.

This will lead nowhere but to Putin becoming more powerful inside of Russia and Ukraine being absolutely and completely leveled and blown to pieces and hundreds of thousands more dead and every city in that country looking like Detroit.
Haven't you ever played the board game Risk?
This is a pretty standard tactic.  Encourage two countries to concentrate on each other and wipe out each other's forces while subtly fortifying yours in the process.  Then, by the time you are ready to begin your campaign against them, they do not have the forces available to resist your blitzkrieg through their territory. 

Yeah, we are sending the Ukraine billions in weapons / equipment, but that is a drop in the bucket compared to the war chest / supplies we have available.  We are also accomplishing a crap load of R&D field testing in this proxy war.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #2121 on: May 12, 2022, 02:22:17 PM »
They have had negotiations, clearly, and it is also clear both sides are far apart.  The US has nothing to do with that fact.

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« Reply #2122 on: May 13, 2022, 01:20:52 PM »
this $40 billion package the House kicked over to the Senate is even worse than I thought....Rand Paul blocked it from going through. For now. The bill had literally zero accountability for where this money or weapons were going or how it'd be spent. Rand Paul simply wanted provisions in the bill which called for an IG to account for every penny sent and he wanted someone else then the President to have sole discretion over what weapons go where and where the money is going. Bill was a piece of trash, literally just blindly handing money and weapons out with zero oversight. This bill also paved the way for US to start transitioning from solely handing out "defensive weapons" and to start handing out "offensive weapons" to Ukraine. 

Crazy how not a single Dem is even a tiny little bit against it. Insane actually. Not even the "Squad"- or Fraud Squad as they are accurately depicted as. There is no anti-war faction of American politics anymore.


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« Reply #2123 on: May 13, 2022, 01:24:16 PM »
Dems have literally lost the plot. They are Bush-Cheney neo-cons in disguise. Diet Republicans, really.


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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #2124 on: May 14, 2022, 08:56:46 AM »




The Serhiy Prytula volunteer center has reported that it develop a new version of the Petliura buggy adding LUCH’s Corsar anti-tank missiles to blast Russian armor.

Corsar is a Ukrainian-made man-portable anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) intended for use against main battle tanks. It is intended to destroy stationary and moving modern armoured targets and other objects with combined, carried or monolithic armour, including ERA (explosive reactive armour), as well as pinpoint targets such as weapon emplacements, a tank in a trench, light-armoured objects and helicopters.



This laser-guided missile has a range of 100 to 2 500 m. Missiles are available with tandem HEAT and thermobaric warheads. A tandem HEAT warhead penetrates up to 550 mm behind explosive reactive armor.


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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #2125 on: May 14, 2022, 09:10:14 AM »
Dems have literally lost the plot. They are Bush-Cheney neo-cons in disguise. Diet Republicans, really.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #2126 on: May 14, 2022, 10:52:38 AM »

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #2127 on: May 14, 2022, 12:28:24 PM »
Now Putin keeps threatening Poland and Finland

sounds kinda Hitleresque to me

whats funny is Ukraine is kicking his ass while he makes these threats
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