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Re: You as a high school athlete
« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2018, 11:19:40 PM »
I played baseball in HS and D3, branch campus of Penn State.  

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« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2018, 11:20:18 PM »
I started High School back in '89 at 4'11" and 97 lbs. Senior Year I was 5'10" and 120.
And I ran, ran like I stole something.

I letter 3 years in Cross Country. I missed my Junior year with Spinal Meningitis, doctor had me tell the CC coach I shouldn't run, so I joined the JV Soccer team.

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« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2018, 12:04:27 AM »
i was recruited as a baseball player... i thought i was good, until i arrived a permanent duty station with three legit minor league and one college player... was first base as long as i can recall- being a lefty helped... anyway, i could hold my own with them as a batter, but fielding? ... uh... i dabbled as a catcher here and there growing up, never in a game- mostly as an assist with pitchers needing a work out- and caught for some that excelled in leagues i played in... i'll say it straight- those Marines w/ no shit harball backgrounds threw those plays to first (me) harder than any pitcher ever has... they could turn the infield quicker than anything i'd ever seen outside of paid players... i realized then and there joining the Corps instead of pursuing either baseball or football was a good decision.  

one of those guys, from Colorado, made it all the way to CWO5 and was a true Marine Corps Gunner- he very recently retired.  Another, from Pennsylvania, got out and figured the Army Reserve would help him pay for school- he was recruited for what was then still known as Delta, and globe-trotted from one hot spot to another before going straight black- we've heard rumors but don't know where he's at for sure.  The other one finished his tour and went back to NH and played the remainder of his eligibility as a catcher... he was a tough dude who let a gal decide his career which ended up being a mistake- but he has a much better one now and a beautiful family and home to go along with her.  the other fella had a hummer roll over him while he was in the turret and on the M2, and without the barrel of that thing jamming through the mud and hitting something substantial down there keeping it from crushing him completely, he'd not be here anymore- as it is he's been wheelchair bound since.  he was a helluvan athlete prior, and after many tough years coming to terms with that chair (he's tougher than me, i'd have eaten lead i'm almost certain) he's done damn well for himself- recently retiring from an awesome job i'm not going to name, and snowbirding in a beautiful home on the water in florida.  those guys were athletes one and all. 

i played inside LB in a 52, which is still my favorite D scheme, though it's useless in today's game. folks ran a lot more then.  when i wasn't ILB, i'd play DE and RG.  I got to punt some too... an abrupt and dramatic change in my world led me from FB my Soph year, and i tried to play my Jr year but it conflicted with what i had to do... the USMC was my way out, and i was sitting in PI less than a week from walking the stage with my classmates. 

it's gonna sound like bragging and i really don't want it to- but up until the last ten years physical abilities came easy- i managed to make the cut into an elite group, and then another above that one.  most of that is attitude and physical ability- the thought process being you can mold a person's attitude if they have the foundation, and if they naturally have the ability to pass the physical cuts, you can further beat/smash/willfully create what you need out of them.  I had excelled in every place i'd ever been until i ran into the men of the second unit (same unit with the baseball players)- and there?  I struggled... mightily... but i made it for a long time, until my body straight up said EFF YOU- now i have two blown knees- one more serious than the other with a missing MCL.. two blown shoulders.. broke my back in '96 and never came back to 100%... had a compound dislocation (i didn't even know such a thing existed prior) where i snapped my fibula and the tibia came right out the inside of my ankle -while still in shock i reset it- watched a blob of sand go back in with it, and thought i could tape it w/90mph tape and continue... not a good plan..  the surgeon spent nine hours on that leg, said the tendons and ligaments were like a ball of wire... being more stupid and afraid to miss something, i was back on the rotation in five weeks- but likely only because the doc said i was most likely done.. i had to prove him wrong, and though it was a minor victory then only i truly enjoyed, it's one of those things that's cumbersome now.  

after the corps and PDC'ing, (well, during private defense contracting too) i picked up mountain biking, which gave me cheap thrills and rare impacts (only when i bit off more than i could chew, anyway), but i only tried to play football once more- a guy in the grocery store stopped me and asked if i played- said they were recruiting for a local semi-pro league... i showed up for a practice sans pads, at my old position of ILB, and the RB gave me instant recollection as to why i didn't play football, basketball, baseball tennis racketball handball or any kind of ball anymore--- my knees gave... i could run for miles without a whimper in a straight line, but the first time i have to plant/pivot/burst? these damn knees plop right out and i look like a fawn deer for a few days.  so... that is that.  damn it.  

one of my regrets is not playing through HS.  i had all of it going for me i needed except for circumstances i really couldn't control, but learned later after gaining some mental toughness that i damn sure could have- it just would have been a little more difficult than my teammates is all... but i didn't... can't go back, right? 

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« Reply #45 on: February 13, 2018, 12:15:37 AM »
A 4:42 mile is insane, well done.  
i was stationed with a dude from new mexico in the early/mid nineties... off some reservation there.. was a running fool... ran three miles in mid to high 13 minutes... it was world class by my reckoning, so you can imagine my broken jaw hitting the terra to learn it wasn't even a regimental record much less a Marine Corps record... seriously.. how does somebody do that?  that's all he could do though.. he was weak otherwise.  
another dude from beaver creek ohio was stout as a brick shit house- he could bench twice his weight for eight reps- straight up impressive, no?  and the fool could run too.. he cut low to mid 15 minute three miles regularly.. he only broke 16 after a hard night drinking (which i may or may not have witnessed... often)...
running has always been my weakness.. i could turn six miles in just under 40 minutes, but the fastest i've ever ran three miles is 18:32.  no matter how hard i tried and using every strategy in the book (mine or anyone else's) i could never cross shy of that.
there was another dude in my unit who could run under 16... i swear this is truth: by the time i'd cross the line, he'd have at least two smoldering cigarettes on the ground beneath him and one in his hand.. he smoked camel wides... cracked me the hell up.

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Re: You as a high school athlete
« Reply #46 on: February 13, 2018, 07:36:13 AM »
I played baseball into my 40s here in Cincy in the MSBL group.  You had to be over 30 and out of pro ball for at least a year.  Most of the players were about like me, HS players, and it was fun.  We had one guy on our team who had played for the Expos as a pitcher and we used him as a closer because his arm was hurt a lot.  So, usually I got to warm him up.

In the first place, he threw a legit 90 fastball, which is scary enough, but his slider for me was almost uncatchable even knowing it was coming.  There is a reason catchers give signals.  When you can throw that hard, even a bit of spin on the ball makes it move like crazy, and his slider would come in and just flat drop like crazy.  And, he was a lefty.

There was no way I could have hit him, never tried, I could barely catch him.  It really took all my attention to catch.  We had another pitcher who had made it to AA ball and realized he wasn't going to make it and dropped out.

We had 8 teams in the league, and a group went to the "MSBL World Series" in Phoenix one spring.  They had 365 teams there competing at 3 levels.  We played in a few other tourneys, one on Columbus on "astroturf" which was neat.  We played a team sponsored by a radio station.  Nice guys, they had all been AAA players.  That park in C-bus had 340 down the lines and 430 to center and I figured nobody would launch one there, but that team hit about 4 HRs off us.  They were using their worst pitcher who I think was tanking it so we could hit a bit.  They knew they would drill us easily and were nice about it.  

I was playing first base and can recall one HR they hit that almost gave me whiplash it left the park so fast.  I was glad he didn't hit it down the line at me.  The bat speed they develop is unbelievable.

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Re: You as a high school athlete
« Reply #47 on: February 13, 2018, 07:54:46 AM »
i was stationed with a dude from new mexico in the early/mid nineties... off some reservation there.. was a running fool... ran three miles in mid to high 13 minutes... it was world class by my reckoning, so you can imagine my broken jaw hitting the terra 
The kids at Hopi HS up on the AZ reservation seem to win all the long-distance running here.  It's the elevation - the rest of the state is around 1,000' or so, but the Rez is 6500-7500'.  
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« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2018, 08:23:00 AM »
The kids at Hopi HS up on the AZ reservation seem to win all the long-distance running here.  It's the elevation - the rest of the state is around 1,000' or so, but the Rez is 6500-7500'.  
this guy got pardon (leave) to run the Badwater so long as he wore issued shorts and a USMC tshirt they'd provide him with.  his endurance was insane.  though he could run a mile under four minutes and six under thirty, his real talent was evident in 10+ miles.  it was insane.  
he was my squad leader for a short period.  he took the team on monday morning and gave us good news/bad news- bad being we were going to run 10 miles that morning, good being we wouldn't run it tuesday if everyone made it without falling out.  friday morning, half the squad missing due to twisted knees, shin splints, ect, and after four ten mile mornings we decided 'eff him, let it be him that splits the group' and near the end of the run let him go- just to fall out monday and turn ten more.... by that wednesday the team commander returned from his training and discovered 3/4 the squad was on light duty, and this twit promptly lost his job as squad leader and was set to work in the rope locker never to come out again the rest of the time he was there...

edited: i was just re-reading through this while waiting for some reports to come in, and caught my mistake:  this guy DIDN'T run sub-4 minutes... he ran mid fours.  my fingers get ahead of my editing skills sometimes. 
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« Reply #49 on: February 13, 2018, 08:55:58 AM »
I started playing football in the 9th grade while living in Columbus. Back then, freshmen attended the Jr. Hi school and Jr. Hi's didn't field football teams but there were local club teams you could play with. I only played because some other kids goated me into it. I knew nothing about the game other than seeing Ohio State on TV a couple of times a year, but I had no understanding of the game. I barely knew the difference between offense and defense. However, I played and learned a lot that year and fell in love with the game. As I was a decent size kid in 9th grade and was pretty fast, I got to see the field quite a bit.

I played JV my sophomore year in Columbus before our family moved north and I started attending a small school. By my Junior year, I was 6' 2" and about 190 lbs. I then started as a D End and Tight End at my new school. I broke all of the schools records for tackles from my D End position my senior year and learned to somewhat enjoy playing tight end in a run heavy offense. I also ran track my junior and senior years.

Our Geometry teacher was the new track coach and in class one day before track season, he was trying to get kids to come out for track. I jokingly said I would come out for track and pole vault. One of my friends retorted that I would break my neck as I wasn't coordinated enough to pole vault. So I went out and tried pole vault just to prove him wrong.

I should have listened to him. After breaking 3 poles, I was at our conference meet and attempting to clear 11 or 12 feet. I really don't remember, but I do remember seeing the standard fall just before I hit the ground, just missing the mat and landing on my back on the concrete. That put me out of action for a couple of weeks. But as I was pretty fast, I did well in the running events. My senior year, our coach put me in the 440 yd dash. Back then, most people in our league just used a standing start similar to a distance event. However, in this meet, this guy in the lane next to me is getting into starting blocks. I remember saying "Dude, this isn't a sprint". I was wrong. I ran a decent time in the 440 (mid 50's), but he beat me by 50 yds. I later learned that he was a 3 time state champ in that event.

I went on to play football at a DII school and started at OLB in a 3-4 scheme as a freshman. My sophomore year in college, I actually played almost every position on defense as a non starter. I equate it to a 6th man in basketball. I played the 5 tech tackle, OLB, ILB, strong side corner and strong safety. By then I was 6' 2" and about 220 lbs. I ran a 4.5 40 and a sub 5:00 mile and held the team record in the shuttle hurdle. By weight room standards, I wasn't the strongest guy around as I had never lifted weights in HS (we didn't have any). I could only bench about 350 lbs which was pretty average for a guy my size. But I was just good at football, so I was on the field a lot.

My senior year in college, I moved to the starting strong safety and had a blast. I got to call the coverage's based on the defense called and the offensive alignment. Needless to say, there were a lot of strong safety blitzes. By then I was up to about 225 lbs and could run like a deer. It was funny to listen to the opposing receivers licking their chops during the first few series thinking that they were going to have a field day if I was in man coverage on them. They found out that it wasn't that easy as I could generally keep them from releasing on the line to run their routes. And if they did get free, I was right there with them.

But like anything else, life catches up. I'm now 54 years old, over weight, 2 knee replacements and 5 years removed from barely surviving phenomena and being on life support for 3 weeks. Now my athletic activities are confined to golf and the occasional bike ride. I did officiate HS football for 25 years and helped coach all grade school levels from 5th and 6th grade to HS. But now, I just enjoy going and watching the local HS games and watching college football on fall Saturdays.  

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« Reply #50 on: February 13, 2018, 09:57:06 AM »
I played baseball and football up until HS. I was never really good at baseball, but was a pretty fearless DE on my championship pee wee football team started every year I played. However when I went into the ninth grade my mom refused to sign the permission slip for me to play football. She said I was too small. I ended up wrestling at 98, 105, 112 & 119 in HS. Hard to believe I weight over 200lb today, I didn't grow until I got out of high School. I wasn't very good at wrestling was basically a punching bag for our two state champs at my weight classes.  I ran distance on the track team my freshman year, but not found the love for running. 

Today (at 57), I stay active in sports by officiating High School football and wrestling. 

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« Reply #51 on: February 13, 2018, 10:15:15 AM »

My senior year in college, I moved to the starting strong safety and had a blast. I got to call the coverage's based on the defense called and the offensive alignment. Needless to say, there were a lot of strong safety blitzes. By then I was up to about 225 lbs and could run like a deer. It was funny to listen to the opposing receivers licking their chops during the first few series thinking that they were going to have a field day if I was in man coverage on them. They found out that it wasn't that easy as I could generally keep them from releasing on the line to run their routes. And if they did get free, I was right there with them.
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« Reply #52 on: February 13, 2018, 11:52:02 AM »
I played baseball into my 40s here in Cincy in the MSBL group.  You had to be over 30 and out of pro ball for at least a year.  Most of the players were about like me, HS players, and it was fun.  We had one guy on our team who had played for the Expos as a pitcher and we used him as a closer because his arm was hurt a lot.  So, usually I got to warm him up.

In the first place, he threw a legit 90 fastball, which is scary enough, but his slider for me was almost uncatchable even knowing it was coming.  There is a reason catchers give signals.  When you can throw that hard, even a bit of spin on the ball makes it move like crazy, and his slider would come in and just flat drop like crazy.  And, he was a lefty.

There was no way I could have hit him, never tried, I could barely catch him.  It really took all my attention to catch.  We had another pitcher who had made it to AA ball and realized he wasn't going to make it and dropped out.

We had 8 teams in the league, and a group went to the "MSBL World Series" in Phoenix one spring.  They had 365 teams there competing at 3 levels.  We played in a few other tourneys, one on Columbus on "astroturf" which was neat.  We played a team sponsored by a radio station.  Nice guys, they had all been AAA players.  That park in C-bus had 340 down the lines and 430 to center and I figured nobody would launch one there, but that team hit about 4 HRs off us.  They were using their worst pitcher who I think was tanking it so we could hit a bit.  They knew they would drill us easily and were nice about it.  

I was playing first base and can recall one HR they hit that almost gave me whiplash it left the park so fast.  I was glad he didn't hit it down the line at me.  The bat speed they develop is unbelievable.
I was never a good ballplayer, honestly.  I was dumb enough to catch for 15 years and put my heart and soul into it and made a career of it.  I felt I had good command of the game, like a QB would, and called a good game behind the plate, decent arm (<2.1 to second).  That and the ability to block and read pitchers is how I got into low level college ball.  I couldn't hit water if I fell out of a boat, but I think I was tough behind.
I ended up playing in some summer and fall showcase leagues with some guys who got drafted and played decently high level college (think SoCon and Big South level).  Catching was and will remain the funnest thing I've ever done in my life, I mean that.  I always say if I could go back in my old age (38) and do one thing, it'd be to catch 9 again and I'd appreciate it more than I did.  

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« Reply #53 on: February 13, 2018, 06:34:58 PM »
Well I'm an idiot - thinking football fans = football players.  This is neat.
I was never a football player. In 1st grade I was the smallest kind in my class, and got accepted to an advanced traditional school, where they placed me into 3rd grade (skipping 2nd. ie now comically small for my class.) Now in 3rd grade the boys played "Smear the No Longer Politically Correct Word." I played twice. I was quick enough to avoid most tackles, and able to catch the ball. But, both games ended with me getting corralled by several kids, picked up, body slammed, head bouncing off the asphalt, and tears. I did not want to play this tackling game (football) any more.
Dad tried to get me to like football, and he was a huge sports fan of the Cincinnati Teams. The Bengals and Reds were bad, so my dad added an explicative into their name; I'll substitute "Puck". The "Cinci-puck-nati" Reds lost again. The "Cinci-puck-nati" Bengals are a clown show. Still in 3rd grade for me, class was doing Ohio Geography, and with all the bravado, and innocence I could muster, I raised my hand and boldly asked "Where is Cinci-puck-nati? To the principal's office I went, and dad got called in with some 'splaining to do.
And yet another growing up story about Football: My dad figured out that he could go to OSU games for free if he was an Usher. In the 80ies the Ushers were Boy Scouts and Girls Scouts, but the waitlist for the Boy Scouts was almost 20 years long. So he signed us up for the Girl Scouts. We paid our annual dues, never went to a meeting or campout, and wore the boy version of their uniforms. For 3 years I got to go to every OSU home game with dad. I remember being in the south stands (while still aluminum bleachers) for the 1985 Iowa game; When OSU blocked the punt the stands were shaking so violently that I guess I got scared and started crying. Dad took me and the other girl scout ushers to the "Shoe" part of the stadiu, bought us all Hot Chocolate and we "watched" the rest of the game safe from the rain in one of the entrance ramps.
I didn't really like football until High School and was encouraged to be a screaming energetic fan from the confines of the marching band.

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« Reply #54 on: February 13, 2018, 06:53:17 PM »
I was always a sports kid/sports nerd combo.  When I was 12-17 years old, I could name every starting player on every team in the 3 major sports, easily.  But of my group of friends who played some sport outside every day, I was the only one who's parents would let them play.

As much fun as playing 8 years of organized tackle football was, playing pickup football with my friends was just as fun.  Partly because I got the ball in my hands and because, thanks to being in shape thanks to that, I was really good, lol.  In the fall, I missed playing with my friends due to practice, but it was worth it.  Being a backup sucks, because practice sucks - the payoff of the actual game Friday night makes it worthwhile.  

We had a shared stadium in Gainesville, among the 3 major HS in the area - we'd get a police escort the whole way, which was cool.  Now I just see it as a complete waste of resources, lol.  The road games stunk if you traveled far, especially so if you lost.  A school bus full of stinky HS guys getting home at 1am - don't miss those.

Being a football nerd definitely helped me play better, though.  I picked up the plays quickly and I didn't just know my job, but everyone's job on each play, because it made sense.  I grew up watching football, but not just the ball, but how teams blocked and WR route combos that worked and why, etc.

The game is great, concussion issues notwithstanding.  It really is microcosm of life, of war, etc.  
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« Reply #55 on: February 14, 2018, 12:53:32 AM »
I was an undersized football player who worked as hard as anybody. I was 5'8" 140 lbs. as a senior.
In my freshman year I played tailback and offensive guard; and I played some defense maybe even defensive end a little bit, which included some pass defense. Somehow my freshman coach seemed to think I could get in the way with the best of them, and after 6-games he put me in as a starting Guard. I was about 120 lbs. as a freshman, but I hit hard. I had good blocking techniques, and I could pass block. On running plays I was a pulling guard, and it was great fun; I was fairly agile. We had a guy in the freshman backfield who would become 1st team all-state fullback as a senior. He knew how to set up my blocks around the corner. He was good. He made me look good. He became a University of Iowa football player who led the Big Ten in tackles as the Hawkeyes MLB.
If the game were played the way it is today in college, I probably would have walked-on at Iowa and tried out as an undersized fullback because I actually had good blocking technique.
I worked out all the time as a high schooler. As a senior in HS my bench press was 240 lbs.
As a senior in high school I played cornerback and they switched me over to middle guard/linebacker where I was to play as a fill-in player on defense between the 20s. My buddy who ultimately played at Iowa was to pick up the slack at my defensive position in the red zones on defense. He was to rest between the 20s on defense because he was the best fullback/running back in the State of Iowa.
By the time that plan was implemented with me playing between the 20s at middle guard, I injured my back in practice, after the 3rd game of the season. I played very few varsity plays the remainder of the season, spent time in PT and a lot of time in the hot tub. My back was sore until I was about 39. Oddly enough after that its been good.
My buddy who played at Iowa kept on me to walk-on at Iowa. So one spring I did. It was a 1-week experience. The defensive backs coach who went on to coach the Colts in late life in the Super Bowl was the defensive backs coach. At a spring scrimmage open to the public he was exhorting the defensive backs at the top of his lungs to, "Kill! Kill! Kill!" This was about 1976. I thought this is why Iowa football is so bad, and it isn't going to recover. And in my mind I thought this guy is dumber than any high school coach by a longshot that I ever had. And so after the scrimmage -- I just didn't show up again. What I liked about the experience was the camaraderie with players in the defensive backfield. The players seemed mostly to respect me though they didn't know me well. If it hadn't been for that coach I think I might have just been a practice squad dummy the rest of my college days. Another guy from my home town did that and he may have gotten to run down under a kickoff once.
I learned from that brief experience that the difference between HS and D-1 was the speed. And this was Iowa in the mid-70s, not Ohio State or Michigan. I wasn't that fast, and I knew I had to make up for speed even in high school by knowing what the offense was doing, and guessing where the play was going, or anticipating greatly.
At Iowa I competed in weight lifting contests, and set a U of Iowa bench press record for my weight class.
I weighed about 155 lbs. in law school where ultimately I got my bench press up to 270 lbs. while in law school at FSU. At FSU they didn't have the workout facilities for students that were available for no charge to students in Iowa City. In Tallahassee, in the private gym I went to, I overheard guys talking with each other about juices; it wasn't orange juice. I thought about entering weightlifting competitions there, but I saw what they were bench pressing, let alone dead lifting. I could not compete at their level; I wasn't going to consume their juices, either.

 

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