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Topic: You are the sports car

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Cincydawg

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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #210 on: August 05, 2019, 01:44:57 PM »

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« Reply #211 on: August 05, 2019, 01:56:39 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting-brake
After reading that, I'm perfectly fine with calling it a "shooting brake". That seems to fit perfectly based on some of the other examples in the Wiki article.

But it's not a crossover.

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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #212 on: August 05, 2019, 02:25:34 PM »
The hybrid portion of this Ferrari isn't all that surprising, they've invested hundreds of millions of dollars into hybrid R&D over the past decade due to the current Formula 1 engine design formula and specs.

What's surprising is that they made a hybrid.  I really dislike the looks of the crossover vehicles in general, this Ferrari included.  It's really, REALLY ugly.
Well, we've settled that it's a shooting brake rather than a crossover.
But I'm curious about what you think is ugly about it, Utee.
I don't like the bulged and flared rear fenders, which are much wilder than the front fenders, nor do I like the extreme "coke-bottle" treatment of the lower mid-section.
But I think that is fine forward of the firewall.  t would look pretty good if Ferrari had treated everything aft of the A-pillar more or less like Vovo did on the C30 below, except stretched out as a 4-door and given just a hint (about 10% of what it actually has) of the "coke-bottle" rocker panels and the bulked-up rear-fender treatment.


Not many car stylists go for understatement.  This is pretty wild if you think of Volvo up to ca. 2010.

BTW, my esposita drives a C30.  It's a pretty sporty little car to drive, and the forward view is very expansive, especially when compared to my Mustang.  It reminds me a little of the view from a TH-55.

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« Reply #213 on: August 05, 2019, 02:45:55 PM »
I have always thought that the 2nd-generation GM F-bodies were very good-looking cars.  These are both 1970 models.  At the time, they were considered to look a little Ferrari-esque.

I particularly like the Camaro with the split-bumper (was that the "RS" option?) front end treatment.



The Firebird in its Trans Am version was just a tad over the top, IMO.  It would get much more so in coming years with the "screaming chicken" decal that covered the hood.


Incidentally, Ford originally was going to name the Boss 302 the Trans Am, but Pontiac beat them to it.  Interestingly, while Mustang won two Trans Am championships, the latter one with Parnelli Jones in the 1970 Boss 302, the Firebird was never a serious competitor in the series.  Because Pontiac didn't have a small-block V8 suitable for racing, the Firebird was stuck with the big-block cast-iron Pontiac motor de-stroked to 303 c.i.d. to meet the 5-liter engine-size limit.  That big iron block up front didn't go anything good for the Firebird's handling.

I think these two cars represent the pinnacle of GM pony car styling.
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« Reply #214 on: August 05, 2019, 02:56:27 PM »
CWS-- I really intensely dislike the flared rear fenders you pointed out.  I also dislike the low station-wagon-like look of the long rear.  I don't mind that longer enclosed rear on a true SUV, because the higher ride in general, plus the taller windows, look more natural to me.  I don't like the Volvo you posted, either.

It's nothing particular to crossovers, I've never liked station wagons or the longer hatchbacks, either.  They all appear quite ugly to me.

Now, I do quite like the Camaro and Pontiac you posted.  And I also like the "screaming chicken" Trans Am of the late 70s.

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« Reply #215 on: August 05, 2019, 03:16:40 PM »
I have always thought that the 2nd-generation GM F-bodies were very good-looking cars.  These are both 1970 models.  At the time, they were considered to look a little Ferrari-esque.

I particularly like the Camaro with the split-bumper (was that the "RS" option?) front end treatment.
I don't see anything that would be functional as a bumper on either car
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« Reply #216 on: August 05, 2019, 03:38:39 PM »
Pontiacs of that era had a body-color bumper made of a composite called "Endura."  That area around the split grille was what functioned as a bumper.  Normal Camaros had a chromed steel bumper all across the front, but the RS (?) version had an Endura bumper wrapping around the grill and the two chrome-steel bumper-ettes.
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« Reply #217 on: August 05, 2019, 03:45:48 PM »
CWS-- I really intensely dislike the flared rear fenders you pointed out.  I also dislike the low station-wagon-like look of the long rear.  I don't mind that longer enclosed rear on a true SUV, because the higher ride in general, plus the taller windows, look more natural to me.  I don't like the Volvo you posted, either.

It's nothing particular to crossovers, I've never liked station wagons or the longer hatchbacks, either.  They all appear quite ugly to me.

Now, I do quite like the Camaro and Pontiac you posted.  And I also like the "screaming chicken" Trans Am of the late 70s.
OK.
What about fastbacks?
Which old Mustang strikes your fancy more (or less)?
Coupe?



Or fastback?


On the subject of Mustang styling, I think this first generation of the car had the best styling.  I had a '67 in the '70s, and thought at the time that it was an improvement over the first ones, but I have changed my mind since then.  These were the best-ever, I think.
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« Reply #218 on: August 05, 2019, 04:08:09 PM »
It's nothing particular to crossovers, I've never liked station wagons or the longer hatchbacks, either.  They all appear quite ugly to me.
Oh, are you trying to claim that this isn't just one dead sexy vehicle?



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« Reply #219 on: August 05, 2019, 05:14:15 PM »
OK.
What about fastbacks?
Which old Mustang strikes your fancy more (or less)?
Coupe?



Or fastback?


On the subject of Mustang styling, I think this first generation of the car had the best styling.  I had a '67 in the '70s, and thought at the time that it was an improvement over the first ones, but I have changed my mind since then.  These were the best-ever, I think.
Convertibles are my favorite, then the coupe.  I like the fastbacks alright, but they're definitely #3 on the list.

We've had several discussions on Mustangs over the year but you might not recall, my dream car is a 1965 Mustang convertible 289.  66 would do, as well.  As you mention, 67 on up had differences in styling that are less appealing IMO-- particularly, the bodies got a little bigger and wider and just clunkier looking and although I still like them and would happily drive one, it's not my dream car.
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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #220 on: August 05, 2019, 05:16:39 PM »
Oh, are you trying to claim that this isn't just one dead sexy vehicle?




Are you tooling me here? :) Looks like a small Euro version of a box van.  So no, it does not particularly appeal to me.  What is it, anyway?

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« Reply #221 on: August 05, 2019, 05:29:44 PM »
Always liked the fastbacks--probably consistent with my preference for the first generation Camaro over the Mustang of the same era. I'm also a sucker for '67-'68 Barracudas (I know '69 is supposedly the same style, but it doesn't look the same to me), but particularly the notchbacks. It and the Camaro are a bit of a hybrid between the coupe and the fastback.

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« Reply #222 on: August 05, 2019, 05:36:21 PM »
Mustangs are my favorite of the era, but I also really like the Camaros.  Specifically the 1968 Camaro SS.  In high school in the late 80s, a friend of mine had one very similar to the below.  For some reason, he was very popular with the ladies...


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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #223 on: August 05, 2019, 05:37:48 PM »
WHooo-wah,nice
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