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Topic: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?

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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #56 on: October 09, 2018, 03:42:06 PM »
the females in the engineering college at UNL in the early 80's didn't wear many skirts regardless of weather

same in West Lafaytte I'd guess
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« Reply #57 on: October 09, 2018, 03:43:18 PM »
Shew man. That is super cynical.
I really don't think so.  

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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #58 on: October 09, 2018, 03:45:50 PM »
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I see you've never been to West Lafayette...
I call BS.  In late October, those dainty lil Boilers aren't wearing jeans all around campus?  Meanwhile, down in Gainesville, you can't find a skirt longer than mid-thigh.

OAM, I read his comment as,  not all college campuses have hot women, not a quibble over your claims of wardrobe distinctions.

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« Reply #59 on: October 09, 2018, 03:47:38 PM »
easy to discriminate for being a Sooner or Gator

just can't discriminate on religion, age, gender, or race
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« Reply #60 on: October 09, 2018, 03:54:46 PM »
I am reminded of the study that was done that showed correlation between monetary success in life and the tier of school to which students applied to. Didn't matter which school they were accepted to. Didn't matter which one they attended. Didn't matter whether they graduated. The correlation was much one of aptitude.

Pretty sure if you can get admitted to Stanford, athlete or not, you're pretty smart. You're going to be fine, whatever you do, if you've got $25M in the bank.

But I'd bet a business degree from Stanford would go a long way to being successful at the auto dealership you own... Or the franchise of restaurants you establish. Or for the rental property you buy.
Although a degree from Stanford WOULD get you in the right circles to be a venture capitalist... That'd be fun ;-)
I agree with this point 100%.  There is a story about Neil Armstrong being advised by someone when he was applying to universities that he could get a good education in Indiana and didn't have to go all the way to the East Coast (MIT) to get it.  
The same applies to whether or not you go to college and/or whether or not you get a degree.  Educators love to quote the statistic that college graduates earn X multiple of what non-college graduates earn over a lifetime.  It is undoubtedly statistically true, but it is also highly misleading.  The implication they are trying to make is that a randomly selected person will earn x if they get a degree but only y if they do not.  That simply isn't true.  The group of "non college graduates" includes some really dim bulbs while the group of "college graduates" includes some incredibly smart people.  When we are talking about a single individual, intelligence is a given.  If they are smart enough to graduate from college that will help them EVEN IF THEY NEVER SEE THE INSIDE OF A COLLEGE CLASSROOM.  
My point is that a guy who has the intelligence to graduate from college but chooses not to is not going to be a minimum wage worker his whole life.  He is going to advance in his non-collegiate career to the point where he will earn more than some college graduates.  Similarly, someone who is barely smart enough to earn a degree and goes to some low-end school and gets a particularly easy but not very marketable degree is going to be lucky to earn enough "extra" over his hypothetical non-college earnings to pay off his loans.  

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« Reply #61 on: October 09, 2018, 03:55:55 PM »
I call BS.  In late October, those dainty lil Boilers aren't wearing jeans all around campus?  Meanwhile, down in Gainesville, you can't find a skirt longer than mid-thigh.

OAM, I read his comment as,  not all college campuses have hot women, not a quibble over your claims of wardrobe distinctions.
I think @OrangeAfroMan  understood that and was simply arguing that you couldn't tell if they were hot or not because they were dressed like Eskimos.  

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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #62 on: October 09, 2018, 04:56:38 PM »
I would sign with Stanford myself, as noted.

Few people with any motivation want to retire at 26 with Big Bank.

I would of course, but I'm me.

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« Reply #63 on: October 09, 2018, 05:02:28 PM »
I would sign with Stanford myself, as noted.

Few people with any motivation want to retire at 26 with Big Bank.

I would of course, but I'm me.
I suppose that depends on what you mean by retire:
  • If you mean sit around and watch TV all day for the rest of my life, then no.  
  • If you mean have enough bank to be able to do whatever I wanted to do then yes.  

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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #64 on: October 09, 2018, 05:23:21 PM »
I'd like to have done more with my life than just "do whatever I wanted".  That's what I do now of course.  When younger I had some aspirations to DO something more than that.

I'm tired now and worn down by "life".

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« Reply #65 on: October 09, 2018, 05:31:15 PM »
I'm starting to tire of life
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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #66 on: October 09, 2018, 07:45:39 PM »
If Purdue has 30,000 undergrads, as a 5 second google search says, then yes, it has tons of hotties on campus.  Hotties are easier to spot when wearing little more than a bikini 10 months out of the year than only 2.  Even an engineering school has its mobile scenery.



I'm reminded of my ex-GF.  If I had to marry someone, it'd be her.  But she dressed like a 40 year old man.  She had an insane body, but unless you saw her undressed, you'd never know.  Maybe West Lafayette is similarly disguised.
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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #67 on: October 10, 2018, 08:31:31 AM »
My guess is that a star football player doesn't have to worry much about finding attractive females just about anywhere aside from a small oil town in North Dakota.

I don't think that is a real consideration.

If he is only interested in playing on Sunday in three years. his choices are pretty obvious, perhaps flavored by his position.

If he is serious about academics and getting a degree, Stanford would be a solid choice.

I think a 5 star pro style QB would prefer programs with pro style offensive schemes.  Other than that, the choices are obvious.  And the list of where they have been going is pretty clear as well.  Pick one of them where you like the coaching staff and they appear to have stability therein.

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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #68 on: October 10, 2018, 09:59:10 AM »
I call BS.  In late October, those dainty lil Boilers aren't wearing jeans all around campus?  Meanwhile, down in Gainesville, you can't find a skirt longer than mid-thigh.
Purdue cheerleaders would be a 7 on Florida's campus, is what I'm saying. 

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« Reply #69 on: October 10, 2018, 10:46:25 AM »
I think all of this focus on academics is a little misleading.  

Upthread @bwarbiany posted a link which stated that Stanford's median football player "who reported scores" got an 1800 on the SAT and 26 on the ACT.  Those a good scores.  An 1800 on the SAT is 81st percentile and a 26 on the ACT is 83rd percentile.  The thing is that Stanford's average for all students is 2220 on the SAT and a score of 2080 is only the 25th percentile of Stanford students.  Those Stanford football players with 1800 SAT scores are 280 points behind a 25th percentile Stanford Student and 420 points behind an average Stanford student.  

Furthermore, I strongly suspect that the football averages (at all schools, not just Stanford) are inflated by the inclusion of walk-ons.  I've never found absolute confirmation of this, but wherever you see the football player scores you never see "scholarship football players", instead you see it as "all football players".  My suspicion is that the walk-ons that we have never heard of probably have normal scores for the institution in question which means that the scholarship football players are even lower than the "average football player" because that average is propped up by higher-scoring walk-ons.  

This gap is frankly an embarrassment for all of our schools.  

Here is a link that I have posted before that lays out the enormous gap between football scores and scores of other students at major schools.  Michigan (997), Purdue (974), Indiana (973), and Iowa (964) all made the top-10 which is great.  The problem is that those scores aren't great and they are the best in the country.  Everybody else is even worse.  

There is a good reason why a lot of high-end academic schools with decent football/basketball programs hide most of their athletes in what are effectively "athlete only" majors.  They have to because otherwise the athletes couldn't possibly keep up with the general student population.  

Look at Stanford:
  • 1800 "football average" is 81st percentile nationally.  
  • 2080 is 25th percentile of Stanford students is 96th percentile nationally.  
  • 2220 is average for all Stanford students is 98th percentile nationally.  
  • 2360 is 75th percentile for all Stanford students is 99.8th percentile nationally.  

Bottom line, Stanford's "average" football player is in the smartest ~ 1 in 5.  Stanford's average student is in the smartest 1 in 50.  That is a HUMONGOUS gap.  Stanford's 1800 scoring football players cannot possibly keep up academically with the "real" Stanford students.  

 

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