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Topic: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?

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medinabuckeye1

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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2018, 11:56:56 AM »
When I was 18 and if I was a 5* recruit, my family would have disowned me if I had went anywhere but Ohio State. Believe me it was every kids dream in my neighborhood to play for the Buckeyes.
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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2018, 11:58:57 AM »
But if you end up college football hero boy and don't make it in the NFL, you will always have potential income from your college town (if your school is in one and not a big city).  You can do local endorsements, work for the school's broadcast team, or even become the #1 local realtor overnight.

And to have a $25 million head start on others in the work force, where you went to school is largely irrelevant.  
This is important and arguably more important than the academic perception of the diploma that you may or may not ever get.  If you go to a place like Ohio State that has a large number of fans concentrated in one area you have a decent chance to make at least good side-job money as a broadcaster/endorser in that area and be the #1 local realtor or insurance agent or similar type networking job.  

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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2018, 11:59:56 AM »
depends on what position I play.
Other than Ohio State because I was a big fan growing up, this would be my #2 answer.  If I had a skill-set that did not seem to fit well at Ohio State but that could potentially make me a star elsewhere, I would have to consider that.  

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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #45 on: October 09, 2018, 12:03:17 PM »
Icky Woods used to live near me in Cincy.  We were on the same basketball team for a few years.  He had a nice house.  And then he didn't.

The last I heard he was working selling meat for somebody door to door.


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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #46 on: October 09, 2018, 12:04:12 PM »
A 5* recruit has a realistic shot at the NFL, so his school choice isn't purely academic, guys.  This is plainly a case of "football school" + academics.  
List Duke's 5* recruits from the past bajillion years.  I'll wait.
I was thinking this as well.  The money you could potentially make in the NFL is a LOT more than the money you would be reasonably likely to make with your degree regardless of whether your degree is from Dook/Stanford or some football factory.  
Another issue that I would consider now (but not then) is the question of whether potential employers would trust my degree.  Would they suspect that I got my degree based on my football abilities and discount it?  As an employer I have actually faced this issue.  I had a guy apply for an accounting job.  He had a degree in accounting from a P5 football school (not B1G but in this general area) and he was a football player in college.  I didn't recognize the name so I'm pretty sure he wasn't a star but he was a scholarship football player at a P5 school with a reasonably strong football tradition.  As an employer, I did NOT trust the degree.  

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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #47 on: October 09, 2018, 12:06:51 PM »
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but, what if your mother doesn't like Urban Meyer or his WR coach?
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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #48 on: October 09, 2018, 12:56:02 PM »
I think this is the pertinent question - what % of these 5* types could even get into Stanford?  My guess is fewer than 5%.  Might make the whole point moot.
What percentage of any athletes could get into Stanford? Or of the general population?
This link [accurate or not] suggests the average IQ of graduates of the Ivies is north of 140. That's way up there in the 3 SD from mean range... High-end genius.
Finding the cross-section of "high-end genius" and "5* athlete" is undoubtedly a pretty small group, but you can assume that the minimum admission requirements of a place like Stanford, while probably much higher for athletes than most other P5 schools, are not as strict as they are for random applicants. I'm guessing that of those four 5* athletes that Stanford recruited in the last five years, it's not mathematically likely that any of the four had a >140 IQ, and almost absurdely unlikely that two or more of those players did.

I was a pretty good student. My target school list in HS was Purdue, Illinois, MIT, Berkeley, CalTech, and Stanford. It probably would have been a stretch for me to get admitted to Stanford based purely on academics, but if I was even a 3* or 4* football player, I'm sure they'd have admitted me. 

So you KNOW they will admit an athlete who probably wouldn't have been admitted on the pure strength of their academics. 

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We can also look at high school scouting reports for football players. Looking at the Stanford recruitment class of 2009 (this year was quite typical in terms of test scores), the median football player who reported scores got an 1800 out of 2400 on the SAT and 26 on the ACT. Based on university statistics, this puts the football median comfortably in the bottom quartile and likely somewhere in the bottom 10 percent in terms of test scores. Stanford football players are quite smart, but the data suggests they place near the bottom of Stanford’s admits.
A 26 on the ACT puts you in the top 18% of ACT test-takers. That's smart, but that's not 140 IQ level smart...

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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #49 on: October 09, 2018, 12:56:43 PM »
The % of gorgeous ladies on every big campus is the same, it's just that the warm-weather school's girls are wearing less.  
I see you've never been to West Lafayette...

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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #50 on: October 09, 2018, 01:00:22 PM »
Now, you are 26-27 years old and have something around $25 million after taxes and fees and whatever.  But you are looking at another 60-70 years of life.  You should be in good shape IF you manage it properly, but of course that is a large IF.

So, you might need to get a job.  For one thing, as Malcolm Forbes once said, the only think a man can do for 8 hours a day is work.  I don't really agree, but he said it.  A job with a degree from Stanford is probably going to be better than a job with no degree from UGA.
I am reminded of the study that was done that showed correlation between monetary success in life and the tier of school to which students applied to. Didn't matter which school they were accepted to. Didn't matter which one they attended. Didn't matter whether they graduated. The correlation was much one of aptitude. 
Pretty sure if you can get admitted to Stanford, athlete or not, you're pretty smart. You're going to be fine, whatever you do, if you've got $25M in the bank.
But I'd bet a business degree from Stanford would go a long way to being successful at the auto dealership you own... Or the franchise of restaurants you establish. Or for the rental property you buy. 
Although a degree from Stanford WOULD get you in the right circles to be a venture capitalist... That'd be fun ;-) 

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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #51 on: October 09, 2018, 02:21:47 PM »
I was thinking this as well.  The money you could potentially make in the NFL is a LOT more than the money you would be reasonably likely to make with your degree regardless of whether your degree is from Dook/Stanford or some football factory.  
Another issue that I would consider now (but not then) is the question of whether potential employers would trust my degree.  Would they suspect that I got my degree based on my football abilities and discount it?  As an employer I have actually faced this issue.  I had a guy apply for an accounting job.  He had a degree in accounting from a P5 football school (not B1G but in this general area) and he was a football player in college.  I didn't recognize the name so I'm pretty sure he wasn't a star but he was a scholarship football player at a P5 school with a reasonably strong football tradition.  As an employer, I did NOT trust the degree.  
Shew man. That is super cynical.

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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #52 on: October 09, 2018, 02:22:56 PM »
What percentage of any athletes could get into Stanford? Or of the general population?
This link [accurate or not] suggests the average IQ of graduates of the Ivies is north of 140. That's way up there in the 3 SD from mean range... High-end genius.
Finding the cross-section of "high-end genius" and "5* athlete" is undoubtedly a pretty small group, but you can assume that the minimum admission requirements of a place like Stanford, while probably much higher for athletes than most other P5 schools, are not as strict as they are for random applicants. I'm guessing that of those four 5* athletes that Stanford recruited in the last five years, it's not mathematically likely that any of the four had a >140 IQ, and almost absurdely unlikely that two or more of those players did.

I was a pretty good student. My target school list in HS was Purdue, Illinois, MIT, Berkeley, CalTech, and Stanford. It probably would have been a stretch for me to get admitted to Stanford based purely on academics, but if I was even a 3* or 4* football player, I'm sure they'd have admitted me.

So you KNOW they will admit an athlete who probably wouldn't have been admitted on the pure strength of their academics.

Another link:

A 26 on the ACT puts you in the top 18% of ACT test-takers. That's smart, but that's not 140 IQ level smart...
I appreciate all of this, but I'm drawing my line there, at an athlete getting accepted.  Not the best Stanford applicant, not the average, but the athletic allowance line....5* guys are already so rare.  To combo with even that line academically, it ain't happening often.
It's safe to say the past 10 years or so have been the golden age for Stanford, right?  And what do they have?  4 elite recruits in the past 5 years?  Sure, the Michigans and Floridas of the world are down, but their ceilings are where the Alabamas and Georgias are in this 5-year look.  I'm afraid Stanford's ceiling is now.
THAT'S the difference.
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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #53 on: October 09, 2018, 02:23:37 PM »
I was thinking this as well.  The money you could potentially make in the NFL is a LOT more than the money you would be reasonably likely to make with your degree regardless of whether your degree is from Dook/Stanford or some football factory.  
Another issue that I would consider now (but not then) is the question of whether potential employers would trust my degree.  Would they suspect that I got my degree based on my football abilities and discount it?  As an employer I have actually faced this issue.  I had a guy apply for an accounting job.  He had a degree in accounting from a P5 football school (not B1G but in this general area) and he was a football player in college.  I didn't recognize the name so I'm pretty sure he wasn't a star but he was a scholarship football player at a P5 school with a reasonably strong football tradition.  As an employer, I did NOT trust the degree.  
That guy should sue you.
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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #54 on: October 09, 2018, 02:25:22 PM »
I see you've never been to West Lafayette...
I call BS.  In late October, those dainty lil Boilers aren't wearing jeans all around campus?  Meanwhile, down in Gainesville, you can't find a skirt longer than mid-thigh.
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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #55 on: October 09, 2018, 03:41:38 PM »
That guy should sue you.
Talked to the lawyer before I made the call and two things:
  • He wasn't the #1 applicant no matter how you viewed his degree, and
  • Lawyer didn't think it was actionable even if he found out.  As an employer I am allowed to have a perception about degrees from various institutions and consider context.  This was context.  

More on this:
The theoretical basis of most of employment law is "at will" meaning that the employer can make hire/fire decision for "any reason, or no reason at all."  Thus, at least in theory, if I am your employer and I decide that I don't want any Florida fans working for me then I can fire you and you have no recourse.  

Now, the lawyers around here can tell you better than I, but this is one of those "rules" that has so many exceptions that it almost isn't a rule.  That is true, but even so, the underlying theory is still controlling until the plaintiff raises an applicable exception.  The onus is on the plaintiff to find an applicable exception and prove it.  

 

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