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Topic: Worst Shows on TV

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Re: Worst Shows on TV
« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2021, 03:07:38 PM »
I disagree on Bourdain though.  He often came across as a pretentious asshole. 
Did anyone ever claim he wasn't a pretentious asshole? :57:

I still miss him.

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« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2021, 08:17:12 PM »
Really?  Have you gone back and watched it recently?  IMO its unwatchable.  That's generally the nature of comedy, it rarely ages well, and SNL is no exception

This is an excellent and underrated point that deserves further exploration. It's worth saying: Comedy ages faster than other types of content. I watched a ton of animation as a kid and most of it (Darkwing Duck, Rugrats, Tailspin, Bobby's World) fits well enough into most of today's animation lineups (DuckTales Reboot, Gravity Falls, Loud House). However, almost nothing from sketch comedy (SNL, Mad TV) or stand-up holds up well (or at all) unless it becomes preserved in our collective imagination as a cultural touchstone (Cowbell, Farley's "Down By the River," Carlin's seven dirty words, Chapelle's racier stuff). 

I'll go so far as to say Comedy ages poorest of all entertainment mediums. I agree with you - barely anything from 80s SNL is entertaining, much less worthy as Cable TV filler. I would otherwise say Comedy serves better as a time capsule, but even then it fails because 80s SNL might as well be from the 60s. 2002 SNL might as well be from 1988, etc - that's how poorly comedy ages. 

I think the lasting value of SNL is:

1) Their ability to invite on audience, on lighter terms than tuning into Maddow or Tucker, to be a part of the times. SNL's most memorable parodies of politicians (Carvey's Ross Perot, Fey's Sarah Palin, Baldwin's Trump) don't succeed because they are particularly funny - they succeed because of how well they play off the current headlines. SNL is more adept at living up to the moment, not so much creating a lasting moment.

 2) Their very well managed growth of talent. A few years of proving yourself under watch of SNL is often the springboard for later earning a late night show, hosting an awards show, or landing comedy movie roles on your way to becoming a household name. SNL is able to compound this success by even recently inviting former cast members like Kristen Wiig, John Mulaney, and Adam Sandler to host shows. It works because it turns into a nostalgic experience for the audience, and nostalgia, as cheap and shallow as it is, works on an escape-seeking audience way more often than not. 

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Re: Worst Shows on TV
« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2021, 08:32:47 PM »
This is an excellent and underrated point that deserves further exploration. It's worth saying: Comedy ages faster than other types of content. I watched a ton of animation as a kid and most of it (Darkwing Duck, Rugrats, Tailspin, Bobby's World) fits well enough into most of today's animation lineups (DuckTales Reboot, Gravity Falls, Loud House). However, almost nothing from sketch comedy (SNL, Mad TV) or stand-up holds up well (or at all) unless it becomes preserved in our collective imagination as a cultural touchstone (Cowbell, Farley's "Down By the River," Carlin's seven dirty words, Chapelle's racier stuff).

I'll go so far as to say Comedy ages poorest of all entertainment mediums. I agree with you - barely anything from 80s SNL is entertaining, much less worthy as Cable TV filler. I would otherwise say Comedy serves better as a time capsule, but even then it fails because 80s SNL might as well be from the 60s. 2002 SNL might as well be from 1988, etc - that's how poorly comedy ages.

I think the lasting value of SNL is:

1) Their ability to invite on audience, on lighter terms than tuning into Maddow or Tucker, to be a part of the times. SNL's most memorable parodies of politicians (Carvey's Ross Perot, Fey's Sarah Palin, Baldwin's Trump) don't succeed because they are particularly funny - they succeed because of how well they play off the current headlines. SNL is more adept at living up to the moment, not so much creating a lasting moment.

 2) Their very well managed growth of talent. A few years of proving yourself under watch of SNL is often the springboard for later earning a late night show, hosting an awards show, or landing comedy movie roles on your way to becoming a household name. SNL is able to compound this success by even recently inviting former cast members like Kristen Wiig, John Mulaney, and Adam Sandler to host shows. It works because it turns into a nostalgic experience for the audience, and nostalgia, as cheap and shallow as it is, works on an escape-seeking audience way more often than not.
did you see SNL's skit of Biden?
nope cause there wasnt one

talk about passing up low hanging fruit
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« Reply #45 on: March 05, 2021, 08:45:11 PM »
there's plenty of time for them to get Sleepy Joe
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« Reply #46 on: March 05, 2021, 09:09:21 PM »
I can never unsee him munching on fermented walrus colon.But even he found the stinky green tofu in Taiwan revolting,I have a pretty strong stomach but I almost hurled watching that
For me, he was in some SE Asia country and tried to eat a fertilized egg.  Where the chicken is mostly grown in it.  Even he was like NOPE after a bite or 2.
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« Reply #47 on: March 05, 2021, 10:24:11 PM »
I don't disagree w the premise, about comedy having a short shelf life,  but there are some timeless skits out there.  

I also think we are in, as Ann Althouse would say, the Era of That's Not Funny.   That is certainly not helping cultivate comedy.

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« Reply #48 on: March 05, 2021, 10:51:15 PM »
there's plenty of time for them to get Sleepy Joe
dont hold your breath

it will never happen
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« Reply #49 on: March 05, 2021, 11:04:02 PM »
Did anyone ever claim he wasn't a pretentious asshole? :57:

I still miss him.
Oh I get that attitude appeals to some, or at least is tolerable.

For me, it's not.  It's an immediate channel-changer when I watch a personality like that.

JMO obviously.

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« Reply #50 on: March 06, 2021, 12:20:45 AM »
I can never unsee him munching on fermented walrus colon.But even he found the stinky green tofu in Taiwan revolting,I have a pretty strong stomach but I almost hurled watching that
I want to try stinky tofu. I've been to Taiwan four times. The first I went to the night market but didn't try it. I did try the oyster omelet, which I couldn't take a second bite of...

None of my other visits put me in the same realm as stinky tofu. But I think I'd try it now.

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Re: Worst Shows on TV
« Reply #51 on: March 06, 2021, 12:22:33 AM »
Oh I get that attitude appeals to some, or at least is tolerable.

For me, it's not.  It's an immediate channel-changer when I watch a personality like that.

JMO obviously.
I tolerate that attitude for what else he did. He had an ability to let everyone tell their story. That was the beauty of the show.

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« Reply #52 on: March 06, 2021, 01:00:35 AM »
I want to try stinky tofu. I've been to Taiwan four times. The first I went to the night market but didn't try it. I did try the oyster omelet, which I couldn't take a second bite of...

None of my other visits put me in the same realm as stinky tofu. But I think I'd try it now.
the funny thing was this "restaurant" if you want to call it that looked more like a KGB interrogation cell complete with a light bulb dangling from a 3ft cord and the ceiling leaking.And according to the locals this was like Spago's or the Four Seasons.And they went up into the attic to dig out this TOFU concoction from aquariums with what appeared to be algae/slime on the sides.Hmmm-hmmm,come and get it
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« Reply #53 on: March 06, 2021, 07:02:18 AM »
I saw Gordon Ramsay tried to do a similar style of show to Bourdain, and it was a failure. Bourdain had a pretty amazing ability to both be the star of the show and also not suck up all the oxygen in the room and let the destination and food and people there also breathe.

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« Reply #54 on: March 06, 2021, 08:28:47 AM »
I had read that Ramsey's show over in the UK is much more dialed back and he's being himself while cooking.Over here they have him going full rambo trying to garner clicks ala Jerry Springer or sumsuch
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« Reply #55 on: March 06, 2021, 08:31:54 AM »
I had read that Ramsey's show over in the UK is much more dialed back and he's being himself while cooking.Over here they have him going full rambo trying to garner clicks ala Jerry Springer or sumsuch
It's night and day. His UK restaurant show is really good, and informative, where the US one is formulaic and dopey.

 

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