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Topic: Why do I need an AR-15 (or similar semi)?

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Why do I need an AR-15 (or similar semi)?
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2020, 12:58:47 PM »
And of course they are very very rarely used in the commission of crimes.  The focus on them because of criminal behaviors is rather odd to me.  
Umm....yeah, it's not so much about how often they're used in crimes.  It's that when they are, dozens of people die.  You get that, right?  

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Re: Why do I need an AR-15 (or similar semi)?
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2020, 12:59:21 PM »
the real fear to gun owners is that if we gave in and AR-15s were banned do you think the left would stop there

nope they would still want to take all guns away
I think this is a total fantasy.  
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Re: Why do I need an AR-15 (or similar semi)?
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2020, 01:01:28 PM »
the real fear to gun owners is that if we gave in and AR-15s were banned do you think the left would stop there

nope they would still want to take all guns away
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Re: Why do I need an AR-15 (or similar semi)?
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2020, 01:04:42 PM »
Umm....yeah, it's not so much about how often they're used in crimes.  It's that when they are, dozens of people die.  You get that, right? 


Do you appreciate that the weapon depicted below fires the same round just as fast just as lethally and with the same kind of magazine?  It can also be chambered to fire a round more lethal than the NATO 5.56 mm as well.  If somehow every "AR-15" type rifle disappeared magically, the weapon shown below could be used with the same impact.  There is nothing magic about the AR-15, it has features which LOOK dangerous.  In fact, it is very difficult even to define the term "assault rifle" legally.



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Re: Why do I need an AR-15 (or similar semi)?
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2020, 01:27:00 PM »
Do you appreciate that the weapon depicted below fires the same round just as fast just as lethally and with the same kind of magazine?  It can also be chambered to fire a round more lethal than the NATO 5.56 mm as well.  If somehow every "AR-15" type rifle disappeared magically, the weapon shown below could be used with the same impact.  There is nothing magic about the AR-15, it has features which LOOK dangerous.  In fact, it is very difficult even to define the term "assault rifle" legally.
Sigh.  Read the title of the thread again.  
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Re: Why do I need an AR-15 (or similar semi)?
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2020, 01:28:48 PM »
Yeah, I took the 3 vote option.   Nobody needs one.  I do it to hunt and I have the right.

OAM: the subject line creates a little bit of ambiguity, as the actual poll question is materially different.   Are we talking about semi automatic weapons period,  or  only the 'scary' looking semi-automatic weapons.

I don't own an AR-15, but I do own 'or similar semi'.    That's a material difference and an important difference.

Many 12 gauge shotguns that people hunt with are going to be semi-automatic weapons, generally able to fire 3 shells relatively quickly, with a plug removed, that capacity  can go out to say five shells, though that may be prohibited in most states.   Similarly, many hunting rifles which are absolutely not 'AR-15s' are semi-automatic.  These would include all kinds of firearms used to hunt small game and larger game.   (.22,  .308, 30-06, 30-30, etc. (there are many)).


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Re: Why do I need an AR-15 (or similar semi)?
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2020, 01:29:07 PM »
I responded to the question asked already.  I am now responding to another point raised.  Banning a rifle because it LOOKS dangerous to me is ignorance in action.  

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Re: Why do I need an AR-15 (or similar semi)?
« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2020, 01:29:14 PM »
Yup. You give an inch, they take a mile.
When?  Where?  Why do you guys pretend there isn't an enormous chasm between semi-automatic rifles with bumpstocks and handguns/traditional rifles?  

Fantasyland can't be much fun with so many damn slippery slopes you're afraid of.
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Re: Why do I need an AR-15 (or similar semi)?
« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2020, 01:30:06 PM »
Yeah, I took the 3 vote option.  Nobody needs one.  I do it to hunt and I have the right.

OAM: the subject line creates a little bit of ambiguity, as the actual poll question is materially different.  Are we talking about semi automatic weapons period,  or  only the 'scary' looking semi-automatic weapons.

I don't own an AR-15, but I do own 'or similar semi'.    That's a material difference and an important difference.

Many 12 gauge shotguns that people hunt with are going to be semi-automatic weapons, generally able to fire 3 shells relatively quickly, with a plug removed, that capacity  can go out to say five shells, though that may be prohibited in most states.  Similarly, many hunting rifles which are absolutely not 'AR-15s' are semi-automatic.  These would include all kinds of firearms used to hunt small game and larger game.  (.22,  .308, 30-06, 30-30, etc. (there are many)).


Hmm, would specifying "high magazine" rifles be more acurate?
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Re: Why do I need an AR-15 (or similar semi)?
« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2020, 01:30:23 PM »
I responded to the question asked already.  I am now responding to another point raised.  Banning a rifle because it LOOKS dangerous to me is ignorance in action. 
Who suggested that?
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Re: Why do I need an AR-15 (or similar semi)?
« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2020, 01:31:37 PM »
There is an enormous chasm (the bumpstocks comment aside).  Handguns are the weapon of choice in almost all gun crime in the US for obvious reasons.

And I'd consider a semiautomatic rifle to be a "traditional rifle".  

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Re: Why do I need an AR-15 (or similar semi)?
« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2020, 01:32:53 PM »
Umm....yeah, it's not so much about how often they're used in crimes.  It's that when they are, dozens of people die.  You get that, right? 


You asked me if I get this, and my response required further amplification.

I find it important to note that other types of rifles can be just as lethal.  I believe you are focused on the wrong feature entirely, LOOKS.

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Re: Why do I need an AR-15 (or similar semi)?
« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2020, 01:34:53 PM »
You asked me if I get this, and my response required further amplification.

I find it important to note that other types of rifles can be just as lethal.  I believe you are focused on the wrong feature entirely, LOOKS.
You're incorrect.  I don't give a shit about looks.  I care about the number of rounds in one magazine (or one go, before reloading) and the amount of time one magazine (or whatever) can be emptied.

That's what's important, not looks.  Please throw that idea out of your head.
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Re: Why do I need an AR-15 (or similar semi)?
« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2020, 01:38:03 PM »
You gave this the thread title "AR-15 or similar".  That is talking about looks, not functionality.

The magazine size is a completely different item, as is how fast it can be fired.

Now, if you want to relable the thread, fine with me, but call it "semiautomatic rifles of any type".

I don't think you have a clue what you are talking about, again.

 

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