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Topic: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?

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bayareabadger

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Re: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2020, 09:00:58 AM »
I though K-State did some option in the Bishop days. 

UW has never been hardcore option, but they’ve done some. I think the McClain teams worked it in there. Morton obviously did. Barry threw in some option with Samuel and Bollinger. Not an offensive base, but maybe enough to count. I’m not digging pre-McClain because UW wasn’t work a wet rag between 1963 and him. 

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Re: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2020, 09:20:48 AM »
Back in the day, it was rare that a freshman QB would start, and it meant you had a problem.  Today, QBs out of HS are far better prepared to pass than they were ca. 1975.  If you want to recruit passing QBs, you need to pass a fair bit.  Same with WRs etc.

Elite QBs want to play in a system that preps them for Sundays.

A team like GaTech that runs a version of the option (or used to) is at a disadvantage.

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Re: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2020, 09:38:31 AM »


Does anyone know what Bowden ran at WV?  He never really ran the option at FSU, nor did Miami when 1980 came around. 
http://smartfootball.com/grab-bag/the-throwin-game-is-like-a-disease#sthash.AgtYyy8i.dpbs

As the OC in the late 60’s under Jim Carlen Bowden ran the veer at WVU basically because Carlen told him to. As the article details, when Bowden became the HC he started opening things up more.

If you have ever watched the movie “We Are Marshall” the scene where Bowden allows the MU coaches to come to Morgantown to study film of the veer is true.

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Re: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2020, 09:40:21 AM »
the sooners back in the day had some frosh QBs that started and did well.

Wasn't much passing to get them in trouble

Osborne wasn't a fan of allowing freshman to play at any position
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Re: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2020, 09:43:17 AM »
Yeah, but passing freshmen QBs were much more rare.

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Re: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2020, 09:44:31 AM »
yes sir, they could turn the ball over
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Re: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2020, 09:52:13 AM »
A little off-topic, but....
There have been a ton of QBs who gain meaningful yards, but didn't run the option.  This has stuck in my craw in pondering it for Whoa Nellie. 
QBs who are so elusive that a good chunk of the playbook becomes 'run around and make a play' - and I'd go so far to say HCs and/or OCs become a little lazy when they have such a luxury.  They call pass plays they know the QB isn't likely to progress through, because they know he'll escape and scramble for 7 yards. 

Vick was like that, and Vince Young.  But so, too, were Michael Bishop, Shawn Moore, Major Harris, Brad Banks, Doug Flutie, Don McPherson, Kordell Stewart, Rick Mirer, Kevin McDougal, and Charlie Ward.  Perfect read-option guys before the read-option (80s and 90s guys). 

It's tricky to call a pass, then have it be a run, and in a good way. Hard to mimic in game form, anyway.
Rasheed Marshall and Pat White were read option QB’s at WVU but gained a ton of yards on designed pass plays.  I remember watching a game with a friend when Marshall was there. There was a pass play where he ran it and got a few yards.
I turned to my buddy and said, “I honestly think he only has one read on pass plays and if...” and before I could finish the sentence my buddy goes, “and if it isn’t there Rod tells him to tuck it. Yeah, I’ve thought that for a while.”

In interviews a few years later our suspicions on that were confirmed.



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Re: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2020, 10:52:06 AM »
One thing I've discovered through creating so many teams is that many teams run the option a handful of times per game, but few (pre-2000) ran the option as a base (back into the 90s, excluding UNL and sevice academies).


The teams that blur the line the most in using the option the most without running it nearly exclusively were the Syracuse teams (late 80s, early 90s).  They really sprinkled the option in throughout the game, instead of tiny spurts or one-offs.  

The Pat White one-read-and-run has been much more prevalent under the shotgun, read-option teams.  One reason I discount the greatness of Vince Young is that so much of his effectiveness was on called pass plays where he just took off.  Yes, it's impressive that he COULD do that, but he was a limited passer and as a coach, you'd rather he effectively implement the offense.  

Bishop at KSU (and later, Ell Roberson), probably ran called QB counters and sweeps as often as option plays.  That's relatively rare and interesting.  
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Re: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2020, 11:58:13 PM »

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Re: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2020, 12:31:55 PM »

I couldn't even beat out Greg Frey or Kent Graham..."



"...and then I lost a Bowl Game to Air Force."
When I read that, I thought, "Well, it was probably one of those hell on wheels AF teams that came around from time to time back then."

Friends, it was not. 

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Re: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2020, 05:07:18 PM »
I was trying to think through best/good option candidates in each conference. Here's what I got:

Big 10 - 
Illinois - A program always looking for identity that seemingly never recruits all that well or has buzz.
Other ideas: Maybe NW, which has gone through a weird history of offenses. If it was at its pre 1995 success levels, this would be a given. Instead it became a power downhill team, then an early spread innovator and slipped into a spread that felt as stodgy as people consider the option. Since that offense has been bad for years and Fitz is a defensive coach, why not.

SEC - 
Vandy - They need to be weird, though Andy Ludwig got them kinda good at pro style for a second
Other ideas: IF Kentucky hadn't gotten good with the current ground and pound, that would be the pick. Otherwise, you're looking for a team that would sacrifice the highest end ceiling and recruiting for some moments of glory. No one really fits unless Mizzou hits a big ole snag. 

Big 12
Kansas: Already bad, get weird
Other ideas: K State. They used to run the option. They've basically always run a kinda single-wingish old-school spread. Not too much of a stretch.

ACC
The pick: Ehhh, it's tricky. I guess Syracuse? Duke and Wake would be options, but both have good coaches doing good things. 
Other options: Pitt might want it given their normal identity. Tech might regret leaving it. Boston College has often been running offenses where the alternative can't be so much worse. 

Pac-12
Oregon State: This is always the one floated because its the least resourced and its floor is always the lowest. 
Other ideas: Cal? A school that is often not very good, bad on offense right now and mostly doesn't recruit well? I could buy it.

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Re: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2020, 05:16:09 PM »
I was trying to think through best/good option candidates in each conference. Here's what I got:

Big 10 - Nebraska - haven't been worth a crap since Callahan scrapped the option
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Re: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2020, 06:22:07 PM »
The teams that blur the line the most in using the option the most without running it nearly exclusively were the Syracuse teams (late 80s, early 90s).  They really sprinkled the option in throughout the game, instead of tiny spurts or one-offs. 
The thing that impressed me about those Syracuse offenses in that era was that they seemed to be able to do nearly anything reasonably well.  

That is rare.  For example, a lot of pass-the-ball-every-down teams are horrible at running to run clock to maintain a close lead late in a game.  Similarly, a lot of power running and/or option teams look like a fish out of water if they get down late and HAVE to pass.  It seemed to me, in that era, that Syracuse was pretty darn good at just about everything rather than having an identity.  That had to be hell for an opposing DC to prepare for.  

 

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