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Topic: Who would you realistically replace Rutgers with?

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Who would you realistically replace Rutgers with?
« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2018, 02:56:32 PM »
I was looking at who destroyed Rutgers this past week as a reference to "what if" they were that bad going forward.  Not just getting trounced by other teams in other conferences, but getting slaughtered by the likes of Kansas.  The dregs of the other conferences beating up on them - even that level of sustained ineptitude wouldn't be enough to get rid of them?


Every conference has it's whipping boy(s), but when they're the whipping boy of the other whipping boys, that looks bad.
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Re: Who would you realistically replace Rutgers with?
« Reply #43 on: September 18, 2018, 03:06:01 PM »
Is there an athletic performance clause included in the B1G conference membership bylaws?  If not, I view this as a complete non-starter.  And even if there is, attempting to boot out a conference member would be risky, and costly.

At this point, the enormous revenues associated with major conference affiliation are going to make it pretty difficult to oust a member of the major P5 conferences,  Schools are making their budgets 10-15 years out based on the current revenue numbers as well as conference projections.  They're also planning capital expenditures 15-25 years out based on the same.

Any conference that attempted to oust a member for anything other than institutional failure is going to be involved in litigation so fast it will make their heads spin.  And if you do it to a state institution, you'll be doing so against state's attorneys.

Which is the main reason I say that in today's financial environment, I believe it to be extremely unlikely.

The B1G added Rutgers for one very specific reason, and for the most part has accomplished its goal.  Any athletic underperformance at this point, is simply their cost of doing business.
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Re: Who would you realistically replace Rutgers with?
« Reply #44 on: September 18, 2018, 03:17:46 PM »
Rutgers, Maryland, Nebraska and Penn State are still on their probation periods.



Michigan State, which joined in 1950, came off of probationary status in 2010.
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Re: Who would you realistically replace Rutgers with?
« Reply #45 on: September 18, 2018, 03:18:45 PM »
Good Post 94 - I remember when Miami,VTech & B.C. all left for the ACC at the time that was suppose to be the dawning of a super conference.And those programs were enjoying success at the time,but wrenches get thrown in gears all the time.Be nice to just go back to proper alignment maybe 10 years ago or so.And make the indies join one conference
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Re: Who would you realistically replace Rutgers with?
« Reply #46 on: September 18, 2018, 03:22:35 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on September 18, 2018, 11:52:15 AM
I always like the idea of Great Lakes and Great Plains divisions, just for midwestern identity reasons, but it never seemed to work with the current list of teams. And, if we grow to 20 or so, I'd much rather have divisions of the Original Ten and Add-Ons. Except with actual good names.
Yeah, but geographically that doesn't work unless all of the add-ons that we get are east coast teams to pair with PSU, UMD, Rutgers. So no Texas, Oklahoma, etc. 
You just can't have a conference where the original 10 are all near each other geographically and all the add-ons have to fly over the original 10 to play each other. In this case even if you went to a bunch of East Coast teams, you have Nebraska flying all over the land to play those teams.
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Re: Who would you realistically replace Rutgers with?
« Reply #47 on: September 18, 2018, 06:00:05 PM »
It's got to be a rarity - the conference punching bag not also being its "brainy" school.  Vandy, Duke, Northwestern all fit the bill to some degree, Stanford, too, when they stunk.  
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Re: Who would you realistically replace Rutgers with?
« Reply #48 on: September 18, 2018, 06:42:48 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on September 18, 2018, 06:00:05 PM
It's got to be a rarity - the conference punching bag not also being its "brainy" school.  Vandy, Duke, Northwestern all fit the bill to some degree, Stanford, too, when they stunk.  
I wouldn't necessarily say it's a rarity.
In the SEC you have Kentucky. It's a basketball school that is the conference punching bag in football.
In the B1G you have Indiana. It's a basketball school that is the conference punching bag in football. 
In the ACC you have Virginia, who is close to being on that list. They had a good run from 1982-2000, and Al Groh was at least hovering around a .500 record after that, but that's their only truly bright spot of the post-WWII era. 
And Northwestern was once a conference punching bag, but I'd say they've pulled their way out of it over the last 30 years.
While it's rare of any school to retain punching bag status over a prolonged period, it's happened to enough schools that aren't small, prestigious, private schools that it should be called that much of a rarity.
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Re: Who would you realistically replace Rutgers with?
« Reply #49 on: September 18, 2018, 08:31:58 PM »
Quote from: TamrielsKeeper on September 18, 2018, 07:31:32 AM
I don't think it's realistic to believe that Rutgers would get kicked out, I think it's a lot more realistic to think that the B1G just expands to compensate for the pick.  Here are some thoughts I have on the topic:
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Re: Who would you realistically replace Rutgers with?
« Reply #50 on: September 19, 2018, 08:42:56 AM »
What ever happened to Tulane?  

Founding member of the SEC.  Went to a Rose Bowl, went to some Sugar Bowls.  Good academic institution.  In fertile recruiting grounds.  


Their records look as if they underachieved right out of the conference in 1965.  I don't know the real reason, but it's strange that they aren't a somebody anymore.
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Re: Who would you realistically replace Rutgers with?
« Reply #51 on: September 19, 2018, 08:53:14 AM »
We are not but a time capsule. 

Nobody is demanding the expulsion of teams that were added to the Conference before they were born, because those teams have been in the Conference as long as we've been alive, so they seem to us as though they belong. 

Hence we have suggestions of a 20 team Conference with an "original ten" division where MSU, for example, is considered part of the old guard instead of one of the add ons. 

There are only five schools that have been in the Conference the whole time. 

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Re: Who would you realistically replace Rutgers with?
« Reply #52 on: September 19, 2018, 09:07:02 AM »
So if we swapped Indiana for Nebraska, we could do old guard/add ons without even expanding, as the "West" would have all the teams that have consistently been in the Conference since the 19th century. 

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Re: Who would you realistically replace Rutgers with?
« Reply #53 on: September 19, 2018, 07:43:08 PM »
The inclusion of Rutgers in the B1G relates to more than just football obviously.  I think it "premature" to ponder why they should be ejected at this point, mostly because it simply is not going to happen.  Just a few years ago they were viewed as a FB program with potential.  Now they are struggling.

OK, so what?  It's not worth contemplating a replacement for something not going to happen.
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Re: Who would you realistically replace Rutgers with?
« Reply #54 on: September 20, 2018, 12:28:20 AM »
Wow, I guess all fiction writing is just kindling for camp fires, huh?
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Re: Who would you realistically replace Rutgers with?
« Reply #55 on: September 20, 2018, 07:21:20 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on September 20, 2018, 12:28:20 AM
Wow, I guess all fiction writing is just kindling for camp fires, huh?
I'll be taking the kids camping next weekend. I guess we could use some kindling.
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