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Topic: Who Ran the Option?

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Kris60

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Re: Who Ran the Option?
« Reply #70 on: July 17, 2019, 07:04:41 PM »
On another note you can also put me down as someone who rolls their eyes out of their skull when they hear the term “arm talent.”

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Re: Who Ran the Option?
« Reply #71 on: July 17, 2019, 07:59:06 PM »

Big Ben was a WR up until his senior year of HS. 

The coaches son was the starting QB. 
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« Reply #72 on: July 17, 2019, 08:21:05 PM »
Our cross-town rival had the HC's son at QB.  He was pushing 3 bills....
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Re: Who Ran the Option?
« Reply #73 on: July 17, 2019, 08:26:26 PM »
Obviously, recruiting has changed in 40+ years.  There is a lot of money involved in being a top HS QB and if it means you need to move to another school to showcase it, you move.

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Re: Who Ran the Option?
« Reply #74 on: July 17, 2019, 09:01:46 PM »
I haven't been to but one game since I played for my high school 25yrs ago, but they won the state title last year and they run the wing T.  I watched their game on line, it was beautiful.
I’m to the point I like high school sports almost (almost) as much as I like college sports.  Now, I’m talking REAL HS sports.  Not these prep teams where 75% of the kids get DI scholarships or powerhouse private schools.  But schools where the kids on the team live in the town.

I’m at the age now where the local kids playing are children of people I went to school with or go to church with or my wife gave swimming lessons to.  A couple years ago my next door neighbor was All State in football and basketball.  My neighbor on the other side was All State in softball.  It’s just fun to see these kids you’ve known for years competing and doing well.  Small town America stuff I guess.


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Re: Who Ran the Option?
« Reply #75 on: July 17, 2019, 09:14:53 PM »
The Catholic HSs in Cincy would routinely "poach" good players from public schools.  They'd give them "scholarships", seriously.

Valdosta in south GA used to find good junior high players around and have someone offer the father a better job in the Valdosta district.  They have some great teams.

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Re: Who Ran the Option?
« Reply #76 on: July 17, 2019, 09:35:32 PM »
I hate the term "arm talent".

It infuriates me only slightly less than when a team is described as trying to "be multiple."
How about "athleticism"?  Sensibly, it should mean "a belief system based on athletics."
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Re: Who Ran the Option?
« Reply #77 on: July 17, 2019, 11:22:28 PM »
Since the whole point of this was assigning additional potential fumbles to option teams, I guess it should only apply to those who ran the option A LOT.  GA Tech, with Joe Hamilton ran the option several times a game, as did Maryland under Freigden, but the percentage of overall plays that were option was limited.  Probably something like 15-20% max.  



Those types of teams shouldn't have the additional fumbles issue.  
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Re: Who Ran the Option?
« Reply #78 on: July 18, 2019, 12:04:15 AM »
Since the whole point of this was assigning additional potential fumbles to option teams, I guess it should only apply to those who ran the option A LOT.  GA Tech, with Joe Hamilton ran the option several times a game, as did Maryland under Freigden, but the percentage of overall plays that were option was limited.  Probably something like 15-20% max. 



Those types of teams shouldn't have the additional fumbles issue. 
Then I’m not sure Syracuse should be on your list.  I watched those Syracuse teams and while the option was definitely part of their offense I’m not sure they were doing it more than 1 in 5 plays. I’d honestly wonder about Holtz’s ND teams too and what their rate was.

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« Reply #79 on: July 18, 2019, 01:35:11 AM »
I think that list of teams just focused on the HC and if he was an "option guy".  Looking at Holtz at ND, they were an option team with Rice at QB, but opened up the offense a lot with Mirer under center.  

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Re: Who Ran the Option?
« Reply #80 on: July 18, 2019, 06:45:01 AM »
How about "athleticism"?  Sensibly, it should mean "a belief system based on athletics."

When I hear that term applied to a QB I think they mean he can't throw very well.

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Re: Who Ran the Option?
« Reply #81 on: July 18, 2019, 08:25:30 AM »
Tennessee's QB was the #1 dual thread QB in 2016, but he's just running a normal offense at UT.  I know that's not what you asked for, but no one knows HS stats and what offense each HS runs.  But if a kid is considered dual-threat, his HS offense must incorporate enough QB runs to identify the player as such.
In 2015, both Joe Borrow (LSU now) and Sam Darnold (USC) were dual-threat QBs ranked ahead of Lamar Jackson (UL).  Darnold wound up a 1st round draft pick due to his arm, not his legs. 
I could pretend to know what offense San Clemente HS ran in 2013-14, but I'm not going to do that.



The discussion was how many HS teams run the option and you seem to think those HS programs should be(?) or are (always?) avoided by QB recruits with  a big arm.  I simply disagree.  Yes, IMG Academy and similar schools recruit recruits, and I find it kind of gross, but they're in the extreme minority.
Darnold’s high school ran a spread that highlighted his mobility.

There aren't a ton of HS teams with very good passers running pure option because pure option teams tend to be doing more with less.

The option on that level is best because it’s a couple ticks above going all in on simplicity and execution. If you have a good QB, in theory you can do more, but most HS offenses have to trend more run because to get a actually good passing offenses you need that QB, guys who can catch consistently and a line that can pass block a lick. And all three is a harder bargain. So you either recruit that, or you just sort of build piecemeal.

The sport is littered with teams trying to run offenses more complicated than they can execute, but the ones that can be complicated, usually by dint of talent, have an edge because you need to be athletic as hell to cover for the face most HS defenders will have a hell of a time getting in the way of a well-thrown ball.

(UW had a four-star pro style QB run the veer. His team was so good, it wasn’t changing. Also worth noting, pro style offenses often depress passing numbers anyway)

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Re: Who Ran the Option?
« Reply #82 on: July 18, 2019, 08:32:43 AM »
I'm pretty sure a guy with 4 stars plus labeled "dual threat" can pass extremely well.  All of the 2020 recruits I glanced at had over 3,000 yards, often over 2-3 years.

The "pro style" seems to refer to a tall guy who is less mobile but can throw it 70 yards on the back foot.  Both types likely will be effective in college.  The "pro style" guy probably should avoid going to schools that run the option most of the time though.

I'm musing about Fields versus Jacob Eason.  Both have strong arms, Fields is a bit more mobile (but not really fast).  Eason was a gun slinger in HS and his first year in college, he's rarely going to run.  Fields was used as mostly a runner but clearly could pass well.  Fields was 220 pounds in HS, he got used to running over people.

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Re: Who Ran the Option?
« Reply #83 on: July 18, 2019, 09:17:27 AM »
Justin Fields might be the answer to my question.  He ran nearly as often as he passed in HS, 127 pass attempts and 109 runs as a senior.
  279-191 as a junior.

So, there.



 

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