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Topic: Who Ran the Option?

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Who Ran the Option?
« Reply #56 on: July 17, 2019, 03:50:13 PM »
Gatorama and I once dogsat Pearl and watched the WLOCP together.

I'm sure high level QB HS players are athletes, I just think they are apt to find a program that fits their style.  If they are a 6'4" 210 pounder with a rocket arm, they probably should avoid playing for an option team.
I don't even think it matters anymore.  With the QB camps and what-not, if you have a rocket arm, running an option offense just shows you have other abilities, too.  
I don't believe anyone with next-level "arm talent" is struggling to get on the radar.
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Re: Who Ran the Option?
« Reply #57 on: July 17, 2019, 04:05:38 PM »
Probably not, but they can features their abilities better in a pro style offense obviously and perhaps move up to the top schools.

Have we ever had a Jacob Eason kind of QB from an option HS team who had mediocre passing stats because his team didn't throw?


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Re: Who Ran the Option?
« Reply #58 on: July 17, 2019, 04:21:06 PM »
That's the thing, programs don't care about stats, they go by ability shown.  I'll bet you half of all the top WRs in college football played option QB in HS, at least part time, but programs recruit them heavily to be WRs.  Or CBs. 
And that's how you get elite talents at small schools, bypassing playing CB at Georgia and instead sticking at RB to play at Wake Forest.  Marshall Faulk could have played CB at Miami, but went to San Diego State to stay at RB.  All the tons of guys who transfer to smaller schools got that promise from the helmet schools to start out at their preferred position, but when it inevitably doesn't work out, they go to Louisiana Polytechnic Academy instead, just to remain a QB.



So yeah, the rocket-arm kid isn't going to have good passing stats, but they'll watch film of him and see he's running the single-wing, but he throws it on a line 65 yards.  Good enough to scout further.
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Re: Who Ran the Option?
« Reply #59 on: July 17, 2019, 04:30:23 PM »
Who is an example of a top tier pro style QB with mediocre HS stats because his team ran a run oriented offense? 

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« Reply #60 on: July 17, 2019, 04:48:05 PM »
I don't believe anyone with next-level "arm talent" is struggling to get on the radar.
I hate the term "arm talent".

It infuriates me only slightly less than when a team is described as trying to "be multiple."

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« Reply #61 on: July 17, 2019, 04:48:22 PM »
I don't keep up with HS stats...and I don't think anyone really does.  That's the point.
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« Reply #62 on: July 17, 2019, 04:48:32 PM »
I hate the term "arm talent".

It infuriates me only slightly less than when a team is described as trying to "be multiple."
me too
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Re: Who Ran the Option?
« Reply #63 on: July 17, 2019, 05:07:46 PM »
Who is an example of a top tier pro style QB with mediocre HS stats because his team ran a run oriented offense?
Tennessee's QB was the #1 dual thread QB in 2016, but he's just running a normal offense at UT.  I know that's not what you asked for, but no one knows HS stats and what offense each HS runs.  But if a kid is considered dual-threat, his HS offense must incorporate enough QB runs to identify the player as such.
In 2015, both Joe Borrow (LSU now) and Sam Darnold (USC) were dual-threat QBs ranked ahead of Lamar Jackson (UL).  Darnold wound up a 1st round draft pick due to his arm, not his legs.  
I could pretend to know what offense San Clemente HS ran in 2013-14, but I'm not going to do that.



The discussion was how many HS teams run the option and you seem to think those HS programs should be(?) or are (always?) avoided by QB recruits with  a big arm.  I simply disagree.  Yes, IMG Academy and similar schools recruit recruits, and I find it kind of gross, but they're in the extreme minority.
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Re: Who Ran the Option?
« Reply #64 on: July 17, 2019, 05:31:31 PM »
My guess is a HS QB who is 6'4" and likely to be the next Jacob Eason finds a school where he can showcase his arm.  In an option offense, he MIGHT find himself sitting behind another QB is is lightning quick but can't throw all that well.

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Re: Who Ran the Option?
« Reply #65 on: July 17, 2019, 05:38:38 PM »
I looked at the top 6 rated QB recruits for 2020 and they all threw for over 3,000 yards in HS.


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Re: Who Ran the Option?
« Reply #66 on: July 17, 2019, 06:24:14 PM »
I guess no one goes to their local HS anymore.
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Re: Who Ran the Option?
« Reply #67 on: July 17, 2019, 06:59:11 PM »
Who is an example of a top tier pro style QB with mediocre HS stats because his team ran a run oriented offense?
My guess back is back in the 70s and 80s there were tons of them.  Hell, Troy Aikman ran the wishbone at Oklahoma before he broke his leg and transferred to UCLA.

I can’t think of specific examples off the top of my head but I’ve watched tons of college games where there will be some QB slinging it around and the announcer will mention he played in some run heavy offense in HS and barely threw it.

That might not happen quite as often these days but I’d have to think there are still plenty of examples.

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Re: Who Ran the Option?
« Reply #68 on: July 17, 2019, 07:01:59 PM »
I haven't been to but one game since I played for my high school 25yrs ago, but they won the state title last year and they run the wing T.   I watched their game on line, it was beautiful. 

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Re: Who Ran the Option?
« Reply #69 on: July 17, 2019, 07:02:39 PM »
Favre was an option QB in HS.

 

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