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Topic: Who gets left out of a 64-school P5 breakaway?

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RestingB!tchFace

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Re: Who gets left out of a 64-school P5 breakaway?
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2021, 05:23:18 PM »
For me....it was between Vandy and Wake.  I went with Wake because even though they are a well thought of academic institution....Vandy is elite....and that can be a draw for top talent.

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Re: Who gets left out of a 64-school P5 breakaway?
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2021, 07:08:08 PM »
What would 8 team conferences look like?


Mountain: KSU, KU, UA, ASU, TTU, Utah, Colorado, Mizzou


Kansas and Missouri don't have any mountains, and the two Kansas schools are both quite a bit worse than BYU and Boise, who would be a much better fit geographically. 
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Re: Who gets left out of a 64-school P5 breakaway?
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2021, 07:33:38 PM »
Realistic, building from the current landscape 16x4:
SEC +VT +NCST
B1G +UVA +KU
PAC +TEX +TCU +BU +BYU
ACC (-VT -NCSU -UVA) +ND +WV +OU +OKST +KSU
Left out:  Texas Tech & Iowa State
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How'd I get here?
The B1G has certain academic requirements + AAU status.  Syracuse would have gone to the B1G, but no AAU status.
I drew the line at "acceptable" academically at 100th in the US World News rankings, aka "The Nebraska Line" (99th).  
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/2g0uok/academic_ranks_of_power_5_schools_new_us_news_and/
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Why is this difficult?
There are a lack of quality P5 academic universities in the middle of the country.  There just is.  I doubt it's due to anything other than population growth, as the east is the most dense, CA and the west coast boomed, with flyover country (north of the sun belt) still being sparse.  With people come universities.
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Those PAC additions are dumb.
They're 'out there," to be sure.  But the PAC also has an academic cutoff line, at least some of the members do, and they'll want to add some decent institutions.  BYU plays the role of ND Jr and nixes another middle-US school from the in-crowd.
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Kansas?  KANSAS?
Yes.  Decent school.  AAU member.  Extends the footprint.  If for no other reason, no other school checks those boxes, aside from some southern schools.  Think of it as a step up from Mizzou. 
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Anyway, there's a feasible grouping, built on the existing construction of the conferences.
Now, for divisions (and the 16x4 turning 8x8):
SEC:  VT, NCST, USCe, UF, UGA, UK, UTK, VAN.......Bama, AU, OM, MSU, LSU, ARK, A&M, MIZ
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B1G:  KU, IOWA, UNL, MIN, WIS, NW, ILL, PU......UM, MSU, OSU, IU, PSU, RU, UMD, UVA
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PAC:  UW, WSU, UO, ORST, CAL, STAN, USC, UCLA.......AZ, ASU, UTAH, BYU, CU, TEX, BAY, TCU
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ACC:  CLEM............MIAMI, FSU, GT, UNC, Duke, WF, BC, SU, Pitt, ND, UL, OU, WV, OKST, KSU
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Re: Who gets left out of a 64-school P5 breakaway?
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2021, 07:56:14 PM »
The OP stipulated "Football only" 

Doesn't that preclude us from considering non football factors, such as Basketball or Academics? 
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Re: Who gets left out of a 64-school P5 breakaway?
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2021, 09:29:09 PM »
I'm going with the Beavers... Nobody out west cares about CFB anyway.

Although I'd be tempted to keep them just because they're the Beavers.
We've all put up a lot less to keep Beavers around

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Re: Who gets left out of a 64-school P5 breakaway?
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2021, 09:48:05 PM »
Building my conferences, based on tenure and geography:

ACC - Clemson, Duke, Georgia Tech, Maryland, NC State, North Carolina, Virginia, Wake Forest
Big 8 - Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
Big East - BC, Florida State, Miami, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
Big Ten - Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio State, Purdue, Wisconsin
Misfits? - Kentucky, Louisville, Michigan State, Northwestern, Notre Dame, South Carolina, Utah, Vanderbilt
Pac 8 - California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Washington State
SEC - Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Tennessee
SWC - Arizona, Arizona State, Arkansas, Baylor, TCU, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech

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Re: Who gets left out of a 64-school P5 breakaway?
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2021, 11:15:06 PM »
The OP stipulated "Football only"

Doesn't that preclude us from considering non football factors, such as Basketball or Academics?
Idk, I just concerned myself with football.  
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Re: Who gets left out of a 64-school P5 breakaway?
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2021, 12:27:45 AM »
Would the SEC be willing to ship Missouri off to the B1G? Would Missouri want to go?

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Re: Who gets left out of a 64-school P5 breakaway?
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2021, 09:24:06 AM »
The Midwest always gets screwed when you divide up a nationwide league into divisions, due to its location in the middle. 

Badge is a Midwestern, geographically minded guy. He divided everyone up about as geographically sound as he could, under the parameters. Yet even with two Midwest divisions, he had to banish 3 Midwestern schools out west, while shoehorning 3 schools from Kentucky and Tennessee into one of the Midwest divisions. 

Its like the NHL covid divisions. They are awesome from a geographical standpoint, but the Midwest was the region that got hosed. Some were sent westward, while the others got lumped in with the Southeast. 

















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Re: Who gets left out of a 64-school P5 breakaway?
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2021, 10:43:17 AM »
Would the SEC be willing to ship Missouri off to the B1G? Would Missouri want to go?
This exercise doesn't really seem to consider what any school would actually "want" but Mizzou would definitely go to the B1G if invited.  That was their desire all along, but the B1G took Nebraska instead.

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Re: Who gets left out of a 64-school P5 breakaway?
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2021, 10:45:43 AM »
Oh also, Missouri actually is moving back to the Big 12.

https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/6987944-missouri-set-to-return-to-the-big-12


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Re: Who gets left out of a 64-school P5 breakaway?
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2021, 12:59:59 PM »
This exercise doesn't really seem to consider what any school would actually "want" but Mizzou would definitely go to the B1G if invited.  That was their desire all along, but the B1G took Nebraska instead.
Would the B1G not prefer UVA?  Mizzou is certainly better than KU in football, but so is everyone else, and Mizzou is largely irrelevant anyway.  Is KU not a better option?  
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Re: Who gets left out of a 64-school P5 breakaway?
« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2021, 01:22:50 PM »
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Re: Who gets left out of a 64-school P5 breakaway?
« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2021, 01:54:05 PM »
Is it because St. Louie is midwestern and Kansas City is a bunch of silly western yokels? 
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