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Topic: Who are the most INTERESTING teams in 2024?

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Re: Who are the most INTERESTING teams in 2024?
« Reply #56 on: August 22, 2024, 08:55:31 AM »
Clemson?
FSU?
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Re: Who are the most INTERESTING teams in 2024?
« Reply #57 on: August 22, 2024, 08:55:47 AM »
Nebraska Football Ditching Alternate Uniforms

Nebraska football will not wear alternate uniforms in 2024, ending a run of wearing an alternate for one game each year going back more than a decade.
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Re: Who are the most INTERESTING teams in 2024?
« Reply #58 on: August 22, 2024, 09:02:44 AM »
Nebraska Football Ditching Alternate Uniforms

Nebraska football will not wear alternate uniforms in 2024, ending a run of wearing an alternate for one game each year going back more than a decade.
Good.

Make Nebraska Traditional Again

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Re: Who are the most INTERESTING teams in 2024?
« Reply #59 on: August 22, 2024, 09:03:51 AM »
Clemson?
FSU?
Meh.  If Clemson upsets UGA, then I'd say yes.  But I think Clemson and FSU have pretty predictable seasons ahead of them.  And it probably won't matter much nationally.

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Re: Who are the most INTERESTING teams in 2024?
« Reply #60 on: August 22, 2024, 09:11:06 AM »
Good.

Make Nebraska Traditional Again
gotta luv Coach Rhule.........


"There's no alternate uniform this year," Rhule said. "There was nothing planned for this year. I think that was just sort of a philosophical decision."

Rhule said the process for alternates typically begins two years before they are put to use. (Means last year wasn't his idea)

"I love seeing traditional uniforms," Rhule said.
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Re: Who are the most INTERESTING teams in 2024?
« Reply #61 on: August 22, 2024, 09:15:56 AM »
I'm not a fan of gimmickry in uniforms.  I'm "OK" if Oregon does it, it's their "tradition", I get that.


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Re: Who are the most INTERESTING teams in 2024?
« Reply #62 on: August 22, 2024, 09:27:31 AM »
a good reason Oregon should NOT be in the B1G

non-traditional tradition
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Re: Who are the most INTERESTING teams in 2024?
« Reply #63 on: August 22, 2024, 09:54:55 AM »
South Carolina: 1-3

how the hell does South Carolina of all teams own them? Ohio State is 0-2 vs South Carolina. Michigan and Ohio State combined are 1-5 vs South Carolina. Who the fuck would've guessed that?
A lot of times H2H can be misleading if either or both of the following apply:
  • The teams do not play frequently, or
  • Some of the games were many decades or even more than a century ago

Minnesota/Nebraska is another great example in addition to Vanderbilt's .750 record against Texas which @utee94 brought up.  In the Vanderbilt/Texas case they DID play frequently but it was seven times in an eight year span that was 100 years ago along with three times in a four year span 120 years ago.  They haven't played in almost a century.  

In the Gophers/Cornhuskers example the Gophers own a substantial 37-25-2 advantage despite Nebraska being obviously the stronger program for the bulk of the history of CFB.  The reason the Gophers hold this edge is that the two teams didn't play much between Devaney's hiring in 1962 and Nebraska joining the B1G in 2011.  Breaking it up that way:
  • 29-6-2 Minnesota advantage pre-Devaney
  • 14-0 Nebraska advantage from the hiring of Devaney up until Nebraska joined the B1G
  • 8-5 Minnesota advantage since Nebraska joined the B1G
  • 37-25-2 Minnesota advantage total.  



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Re: Who are the most INTERESTING teams in 2024?
« Reply #64 on: August 22, 2024, 09:57:10 AM »
gee, thanks
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Re: Who are the most INTERESTING teams in 2024?
« Reply #65 on: August 22, 2024, 10:00:46 AM »
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Re: Who are the most INTERESTING teams in 2024?
« Reply #66 on: August 22, 2024, 10:19:20 AM »
Miami is going to have a new coach next year.
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Re: Who are the most INTERESTING teams in 2024?
« Reply #67 on: August 22, 2024, 10:29:15 AM »
Clemson?
I think Clemson may be the most interesting PROGRAM in the country.  I capitalized that to denote it from a team which I see as a one-year thing.   The program is a multi-year thing.  

Clemson's pre-Dabo history isn't awful but it isn't very impressive either.  They usually weren't terrible but more of a middling team that would usually do a little better than .500 and occasionally jump up a few games over that.  

They won 10 games in Dabo's third full season there (2011), that was the first time they'd seen double-digit wins since 1990.  In the 20 years from 1991-2010 Clemson:
  • 3-8 once
  • 5-6 twice
  • 6-7 once
  • 6-6 once
  • 7-6 twice
  • 6-5 once
  • 7-5 thrice
  • 8-5 once
  • 9-5 once
  • 8-4 twice
  • 9-4 twice
  • 9-3 twice
  • 9-2-1 once

That is a whole lot of "decent", not much bad and no great.  Then Dabo got rolling . . .

  • They won 10 games in 2011 with an ACC title
  • They went 11-2 in 2012 with a bowl win over LSU
  • They went 11-2 in 2013 with a bowl win over tOSU
  • They had a fourth consecutive season of double-digit wins in 2014
  • They went 14-1 in 2015 with an ACC Championship, and a CFP Semi-Final win
  • They went 14-1 in 2016 with ACC and National Championships
  • They went 12-2 in 2017 with an ACC Championship and a CFP appearance
  • They went 15-0 in 2018 with ACC and National Championships
  • They went 14-1 in 2019 with an ACC Championship and a CFP Semi-Final win
  • They went 10-2 in 2020 with an ACC Championship and a CFP appearance
  • They went 10-3 in 2021
  • They went 11-3 with an ACC Championship in 2022
  • They went 9-4 in 2023

The thing that makes them interesting to me is that their 2021-2023 run isn't bad by pre-Dabo standards.  Actually, outside of their phenomenal 2012-2020 run, their 2021-2023 run would be one of the best three-year runs in Clemson's entire program history.  

Perspective matters.  Prior to the 2012-2020 run, the current 2021-2023 run would have been celebrated.  Now it feels like a let-down.  

What is the new normal for the Clemson program?  


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Re: Who are the most INTERESTING teams in 2024?
« Reply #68 on: August 22, 2024, 10:39:38 AM »
yup, Dabo certainly doesn't want another 4-loss season

what did we used to call 4-loss programs???

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Re: Who are the most INTERESTING teams in 2024?
« Reply #69 on: August 22, 2024, 10:45:18 AM »
A lot of times H2H can be misleading if either or both of the following apply:
  • The teams do not play frequently, or
  • Some of the games were many decades or even more than a century ago

Minnesota/Nebraska is another great example in addition to Vanderbilt's .750 record against Texas which @utee94 brought up.  In the Vanderbilt/Texas case they DID play frequently but it was seven times in an eight year span that was 100 years ago along with three times in a four year span 120 years ago.  They haven't played in almost a century. 

In the Gophers/Cornhuskers example the Gophers own a substantial 37-25-2 advantage despite Nebraska being obviously the stronger program for the bulk of the history of CFB.  The reason the Gophers hold this edge is that the two teams didn't play much between Devaney's hiring in 1962 and Nebraska joining the B1G in 2011.  Breaking it up that way:
  • 29-6-2 Minnesota advantage pre-Devaney
  • 14-0 Nebraska advantage from the hiring of Devaney up until Nebraska joined the B1G
  • 8-5 Minnesota advantage since Nebraska joined the B1G
  • 37-25-2 Minnesota advantage total. 
If you would have told the Twin Cities media that this would be the case, they'd have told you to get your head examined. At the time of their entry into the league, all they could talk about was 84-13, 84-13, 84-13. Oh by the way, have we yet mentioned 84-13?

 

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