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Topic: Who are ND's top 5 rivals?

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Who are ND's top 5 rivals?
« on: March 08, 2023, 08:27:20 PM »
I was sitting around and realized that after USC, I don't know who ND's biggest rival is.
Michigan is usually good when they play, so maybe it's them.....but I feel like they played MSU more often.
And Purdue more often, still.
Then a few others came to mind, but I have no clue how to rank them after USC.
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So you can vote for up to 5 teams here.  Let's figure it out.
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Re: Who are ND's top 5 rivals?
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2023, 08:34:39 PM »
Let's see...


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Re: Who are ND's top 5 rivals?
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2023, 09:36:20 PM »
If you voted early on, you may need re-vote, as I added an "other" option.  I'm thinking teams like BC, Army, FSU?, BYU, etc.
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Re: Who are ND's top 5 rivals?
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2023, 01:01:27 AM »
The number of games isn't the be all end all. They play Navy every year, but they won like a million in a row. So it's not much of a rivalry. More like an annual victory parade, with a few recent exceptions. 

The Stanford game is little more than a team to pair up with USC so that they can finish their season in California every year instead of every other year. 

Michigan is their top regional rival by a pretty good clip, number of games not withstanding. But it's lost a lot of juice since they took it off of the annual. 

MSU and Purdue were teams they played mostly out of geographic convenience. Maybe Purdue gets a small bump for being the top in-state competition. But they have that distinction mostly by default because the Hoosiers are even worse. 

How does their ACC scheduling agreement work? Do they get to play some teams more than others, like BC, FSU, etc? Or do they have to rotate their way through the conference evenly? 
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Re: Who are ND's top 5 rivals?
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2023, 04:37:29 AM »
I don't think they have five "rivals" in any real sense of the term.  They play some important games along the way of course, like Michigan, if they play them.  That doesn't make a rivalry in my mind.  They used to play Georgia Tech fairly often, even in a movie.
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Re: Who are ND's top 5 rivals?
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2023, 07:02:33 AM »
USC is their only rival.  
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Re: Who are ND's top 5 rivals?
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2023, 07:04:09 AM »
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Re: Who are ND's top 5 rivals?
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2023, 07:10:43 AM »
Does any team have five real rivals?  Maybe.  I think of Tenn/Auburn/Florida for UGA, nobody else is really a rival (maybe one could throw in GT, but not so much today).

Obviously it hinges on how one defines the term.  We'd all agree that rivalries start with OSU/UM and then you get ND/USC and Bama/Auburn and Texas/OU as kind of premier rivalries.  Those all combine many games played with national significance and with one exception geographic colocation.

USC/Clemson is a rivalry, but usually not considered national.
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Re: Who are ND's top 5 rivals?
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2023, 08:09:42 AM »
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Re: Who are ND's top 5 rivals?
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2023, 08:25:01 PM »
Yeah, that just may be the case.  

It's pretty interesting that ND became ND without a local rival, huh?  
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Re: Who are ND's top 5 rivals?
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2023, 10:45:22 PM »
sad that TV networks are destroying rivals
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Re: Who are ND's top 5 rivals?
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2023, 11:36:55 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on March 09, 2023, 10:45:22 PM
sad that TV networks are destroying rivals

Those games would still get great ratings if they were played OOC, so the burden is not so much on TV Networks as the unwillingness of the ADs to keep them alive. 
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Re: Who are ND's top 5 rivals?
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2023, 11:45:33 PM »
The ND dynamic is interesting, as a lot of teams consider them to be their rival, but it's not really reciprocated other than with USC for the most part. 

Teams like OSU and Texas have a similar, albeit much lesser phenomenon within their conferences, where everyone circles that game on their calendar if it's scheduled. In some cases it gets real similar to the ND phenomenon, like the dynamic between Penn State and OSU. 

SEC teams probably have the most "rivals," as many have one in-state OOC on the annual at the end of the season, along with their conference rival(s). Hell, Florida had two OOC rivals at one point. 
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Re: Who are ND's top 5 rivals?
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2023, 12:57:07 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on March 09, 2023, 11:36:55 PM
Those games would still get great ratings if they were played OOC, so the burden is not so much on TV Networks as the unwillingness of the ADs to keep them alive.
agreed, ADs caving to the $$$ pushed by the networks
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