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Topic: Who's the Gators new H.C.?

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FearlessF

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Re: Who's the Gators new H.C.?
« Reply #112 on: November 10, 2017, 10:41:42 PM »
who you callin stupidly????
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Re: Who's the Gators new H.C.?
« Reply #113 on: November 11, 2017, 06:41:10 AM »
best HS team in FL > best HS team in TX > best high school team in Georgia> best high school team in Alabama> best high school team in Mississippi> best high school team in Louisiana> best high school team in Ohio> best high school team in Michigan> BEst high school team in Pennsylvania> best HS team in CA
Yeah, no. 
The best high school teams in Ca are powerhouse religious schools that recruit. The good ones could hang with the recruiting religious schools in many of those states.
The difference comes in the public schools where football is more expected, either on the bigger, wealthier side or the small ones in the middle of nowhere that just have a shocking level of talent. 
(Also, Alabama and Mississippi over Louisiana? Ha)

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Re: Who's the Gators new H.C.?
« Reply #114 on: November 11, 2017, 06:45:47 AM »
My list of programs that should be able to do better is a bit shorter even after last night:

Illinois
North Carolina
(Washington was the other one.)

Rutgers could be added in a relative sense.  Who else, aside from the programs that are directional etc.?

The "right coach" has taken some of those TCU kinds of programs to rather exalted status of late (and perhaps vice versa at places like Oregon and Texas).

Tennessee doesn't have the injury/suspension excuse this year.

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Re: Who's the Gators new H.C.?
« Reply #115 on: November 11, 2017, 06:50:27 AM »
When I was a child living in Augusta, GA, the main HS was "Richmond Academy", public not private.  Each year they would start out 9-0 it would seem beating to a pulp teams like Martinez and whatever else.  Then they would play Valdosta and get absolutely demolished.  I don't think they ever beat Valdosta.

I later learned that back in the day the businessmen in Valdosta would "scout" good junior high players, find out what their dad did for work, and offer him a lucrative job in Valdosta to get him to move, with his son of course, and perhaps younger son who had talent.  This was back when segregation was still in force in practice is not legally.  I don't think Georgia high schools yet had black players at all, which is "interesting".

So, Valdosta would run through the schedule and championships almost every year.  This apparently was legal.

Today, they are still competitive even though neighboring programs are also quite good at times, and the ATL metro schools can be powerhouses as well, including the one I attended.

The South can be interesting.

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Re: Who's the Gators new H.C.?
« Reply #116 on: November 11, 2017, 09:22:36 AM »
where there's a will there's a way

and that goes for anywhere

just a lot of will to win football games in the south
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« Reply #117 on: November 11, 2017, 10:56:42 AM »
Eh, I think of Auburn more like Michigan State or Texas A&M.  A program with a real fanbase, that just happens to share a state with a big time helmet.

UCLA just happens to be located in California.  They seem to struggle to even get people to care about their basketball program.

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Re: Who's the Gators new H.C.?
« Reply #118 on: November 12, 2017, 01:46:40 PM »
You can win a NC at UCLA and get plenty of talent, but UCLA = Auburn.....red-headed stepchild.  
I tell you what, Josh Rosen is the best pure thrower of the football that I have seen in a long time and they have never come close to even sniffing a conference title let alone an NC with him. Aikman was one of the great pure passers ever as well- and UCLA never came close to an NC with him the two years he started there. I have my doubts about UCLA as a program. I think it's pretty hard to win it all there.

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Re: Who's the Gators new H.C.?
« Reply #119 on: November 12, 2017, 01:52:35 PM »
I was just saying that you could win one there, and it wouldn't change things - they'd still be USC's bitch (program-wise).
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« Reply #120 on: November 12, 2017, 01:54:49 PM »
in terms of HS football....no state produces QB's like California. And it's not even remotely close. Pennsylvania used to in the 70s and 80s, but that well has dried up big-time.

Florida produces probably the most talent all up and down the defense and at the skill positions on offense. The QB's and OL's seem to kinda be lacking though. Outside of Tebow- who was a GREAT college player, can't really think of one QB from the state of Florida that was really good.

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Re: Who's the Gators new H.C.?
« Reply #121 on: November 12, 2017, 01:56:59 PM »
I was just saying that you could win one there, and it wouldn't change things - they'd still be USC's bitch (program-wise).
Oh well that is certainly true. USC is one of the 8-9 "blue bloods" of the sport.

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Re: Who's the Gators new H.C.?
« Reply #122 on: November 12, 2017, 01:59:53 PM »
in terms of HS football....no state produces QB's like California. And it's not even remotely close. Pennsylvania used to in the 70s and 80s, but that well has dried up big-time.

Florida produces probably the most talent all up and down the defense and at the skill positions on offense. The QB's and OL's seem to kinda be lacking though. Outside of Tebow- who was a GREAT college player, can't really think of one QB from the state of Florida that was really good.
Tommie Frazier
Daunte Culpepper
Ken Dorsey
Brad Banks
Lamar Jackson.....reigning Heisman winner

The QB issue with FL is all those great skill position players play QB in HS and then move to RB or WR in college.  The most notable maybe Anquan Boldin - FSU - borderline HOF NFL WR.
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Re: Who's the Gators new H.C.?
« Reply #123 on: November 12, 2017, 02:20:06 PM »
Tommie Frazier
Daunte Culpepper
Frazier was an option QB who completed 49% of his passes for his career. Not trying to knock him, he was a great college player and fit for that Nebraska offensive system and he was on some really good teams- had some amazing runs- but it's hard for me to consider him a true QB. More like a RB playing QB.

Daunte Culpepper to me was always incredibly mediocre. Big time arm strength and size, but not much else. He was basically just a creation of Randy Moss. Randy Moss and Cris Carter made him his first couple years. Once Carter left Culpepper's numbers dipped for a couple years. Bounced back for a year and then once Randy Moss left he completely fell apart.

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Re: Who's the Gators new H.C.?
« Reply #124 on: November 12, 2017, 02:22:16 PM »
Tommie Frazier
Daunte Culpepper
Ken Dorsey
Brad Banks
Lamar Jackson.....reigning Heisman winner

The QB issue with FL is all those great skill position players play QB in HS and then move to RB or WR in college.  The most notable maybe Anquan Boldin - FSU - borderline HOF NFL WR.
I have my doubts about Lamar Jackson as an NFL QB. Incredible college player though.

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Re: Who's the Gators new H.C.?
« Reply #125 on: November 12, 2017, 02:26:18 PM »
Jesus Christ, your standards are high.  And btw, you acknowledged Tebow as a great COLLEGE player, so that's where I thought your focus was.  

That list of QBs won 3 NCs and 2 Heismans......Culpepper was a 1st round pick with a 10-year NFL career.  Jeez.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

 

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