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Topic: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?

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847badgerfan

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Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
« Reply #98 on: February 11, 2020, 01:42:17 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on February 11, 2020, 01:26:33 PM
Which team that qualifies as a helmet  for this exercise had the worst go of it from 1970-79?
Easily Tennessee, if you still consider them helmet.
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Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
« Reply #99 on: February 11, 2020, 03:04:40 PM »
I'm fine kicking the Vols out

in fact I'd encourage it

they can earn their way back in with a few SEC championships and another MNC
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Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
« Reply #100 on: February 11, 2020, 06:37:14 PM »
I think FSU is a helmet school.

As posters upthread noted, if FSU's not a helmet, then nobody who's not one now can ever become one.
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Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
« Reply #101 on: February 11, 2020, 06:53:52 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on February 11, 2020, 06:37:14 PM
I think FSU is a helmet school.

As posters upthread noted, if FSU's not a helmet, then nobody who's not one now can ever become one.
I don't think the game will around long enough for there to be one.
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Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
« Reply #102 on: February 11, 2020, 07:27:49 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on February 10, 2020, 10:37:29 PM
And yet most? would argue Nebraska and Tennessee are helmets....the shine on those is worn down to the interior padding....
And the Wolverines are a "helmet" in spite of the fact that they enjoyed most of their success in the pre leather helmet era.
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Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
« Reply #103 on: February 11, 2020, 07:48:10 PM »
I think the helmets were established pre-WWII. It takes a lot to lose the status. It takes even more to gain the status.

The fact that people keep talking about UNL and Tenn makes me think they are still helmets. Fading, for sure, but still in the conversation.

Nobody really talks about FSU, UF or Miami anymore. 5-10+ years of suck will do that - to a non-helmet.
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Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
« Reply #104 on: February 11, 2020, 08:41:16 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 11, 2020, 07:48:10 PM
I think the helmets were established pre-WWII. It takes a lot to lose the status. It takes even more to gain the status.

The fact that people keep talking about UNL and Tenn makes me think they are still helmets. Fading, for sure, but still in the conversation.

Nobody really talks about FSU, UF or Miami anymore. 5-10+ years of suck will do that - to a non-helmet.
Dang!  You're a hard man, Badge.

FSU won the NC as recently as 2013.
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Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
« Reply #105 on: February 11, 2020, 08:50:10 PM »
Just trying to follow this...
say FSU was a helmet 5 years ago....since they were a new helmet or young helmet, that status is suddenly lost in 5 years, but a longtime helmet can be irrelevant for over a decade (including serious suckage) and still safely keep its status?
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I know this is all made up and hypothetical, but it can still possess logic and prudence, lol.  Right?  
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And is any part of helmetosity literal?  The "if you asked 100 casual college football fans, how many could ID your helmet?" idea has merit, no?
Michigan does well there.  
Miami's logo is interesting...there's like 10 states that start with M, how will we stand out?  Hell, only one starts with U, let's take that over!  Yeah!
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Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
« Reply #106 on: February 11, 2020, 08:54:09 PM »
FSU wasn't a helmet 5 years ago. Getting close, but they are out now. 
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« Reply #107 on: February 11, 2020, 08:58:09 PM »
Okay, fellas.  Here's a sporcle quiz on helmets - do it just for fun.  I got 'em all in 6:48.  This isn't a competition, I'm just looking at the stats of the quiz.  But try it if you have 6:48 to kill.  
https://www.sporcle.com/games/kfastic/teams-by-helmets
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« Reply #108 on: February 11, 2020, 08:59:41 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on February 11, 2020, 08:41:16 PM
Dang!  You're a hard man, Badge.

FSU won the NC as recently as 2013.
And Auburn won one in 2010.

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Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
« Reply #109 on: February 11, 2020, 09:04:47 PM »
FSU's rate is between Georgia and Michigan.  Relatively high.  Oddly, Clemson, Syracuse, and UNC are the top 3.  Maybe a lot of people from ACC country have taken this quiz.  
Lowest P5 helmet (not all P5 programs are included, it's 72 random helmets from FBS):  Washington State.
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Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
« Reply #110 on: February 11, 2020, 09:08:35 PM »
Hallowed 8 Helmet Programs, 1970-1979:
win%, Team
.877  OU
.863  Alabama
.848  Michigan
.820  Nebraska
.811  Ohio St
.805  ND
.803  USC
.770  Texas
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.814  Penn St
.654  Tennessee
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The Vols were behind Georgia, LSU, Arkansas, and new-to-P5-status Houston and Arizona St.
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Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
« Reply #111 on: February 11, 2020, 09:10:14 PM »
I'm fine with the 8 to be above the rest, but the Florida trio belongs with Penn St and Tennessee.  
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