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Topic: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #70 on: July 03, 2022, 09:40:21 PM »
So OU and UGA are to blame!?!?!  :96:
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« Reply #71 on: July 03, 2022, 09:41:07 PM »
so, we blame Georgia and Oklahoma

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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #72 on: July 03, 2022, 09:55:49 PM »
I'm just going to blame the Sun Belt and Conference USA.  And why not toss a little of that blame towards the Big Sky and the SWAC too....while I'm at it.

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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #73 on: July 04, 2022, 06:14:46 AM »
Eastern Michigan started all of this.

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« Reply #74 on: July 04, 2022, 01:44:56 PM »
Agree overall with your points.  I'll just point out that in the post-cable-subscriber-model world, "controlling" metro areas doesn't really matter, as far as choosing which schools to add.  Total television ratings/fan engagement are most important, now.

At least, until something truly disrupts the current broadcasting model.  It'll be interesting to see if/when/how the streaming services will, or won't, change the overall model.
You may be right, I don't know what controlling media markets will be worth going forward. 

It clearly isn't what it once was but I don't think it is completely irrelevant either. 

I don't know how much of this there is, but I'm thinking of a guy who isn't a serious CFB fan, maybe more of an NFL fan but when he finishes mowing his yard on Saturday and flips on the TV he'll watch whatever is on. I think media market "control" matters for that guy but I have no idea how many of him there are.

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« Reply #75 on: July 04, 2022, 03:00:17 PM »
I mean....Penn State was an independent....so it's not really the same thing.  Nebraska was taken to establish divisions and a championship game.  But yes....basically all of these moves have been to maximize revenue.  Not for what is in the best interest of the league.  Neither the Big Ten nor the SEC are innocent.
South Carolina was also independent, and Arky was about to be with the SWC folding.

The ACC truly started the trend of raiding other conferences when they trashed the Big East. FSU was independent so it did not start there.
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« Reply #76 on: July 04, 2022, 04:15:22 PM »
I was thinking if Penn State was voted into the Big East, it would have provided some stability.  That being said, the poaching among conferences and/or the seeking out greener pastures by individual programs was born of some conferences being stronger and others being weaker.
So if the SWC could have just handled their business and not have been such a lawless mess, maybe none of it would have happened.
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With the expanded Big East in '91 - Miami, VT, Pitt, Syracuse....with Penn St being there as well, it might have even lured ND in.  If that had happened, I don't think we'd have these waves of realignment dominoes falling every so often.
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« Reply #77 on: July 04, 2022, 04:31:24 PM »
I was thinking if Penn State was voted into the Big East, it would have provided some stability.  That being said, the poaching among conferences and/or the seeking out greener pastures by individual programs was born of some conferences being stronger and others being weaker.
So if the SWC could have just handled their business and not have been such a lawless mess, maybe none of it would have happened.
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With the expanded Big East in '91 - Miami, VT, Pitt, Syracuse....with Penn St being there as well, it might have even lured ND in.  If that had happened, I don't think we'd have these waves of realignment dominoes falling every so often.

That would have never happened because PSU joined the Big Ten before the BE was formalized. 

JoePa wanted to do a conference with Pitt, VT, WVU, Cuse, Rutgers, and BC and the idea was shot down.
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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #78 on: July 05, 2022, 01:43:59 AM »
What is Notre Dame "worth"?

The good:
Notre Dame has a massive nationwide following. They also have a ton of "anti-fans", people like me who don't like them. These "anti-fans", however, are almost as good as normal fans from a ratings perspective. Ie, one viewer is one viewer regardless of whether they are watching to root for or against Notre Dame.

An illustration of Notre Dame's draw:
I own a lot of Ohio State gear. However, I only own a VERY few shirts specifically commemorating specific individual games. The few of that type that I do own are tied to games that won an NC or got tOSU to a NC game. The exceptions are that I own a shirt for each of Ohio State's four wins over Notre Dame.

Their undergraduate academics are very good and would certainly be a credit to the B1G.

They have significant history with multiple current or about-to-be league members:

  • ND's second most frequent with 92 games is USC
  • ND's third most frequent opponent with 84 games is Purdue
  • ND's fourth most frequent opponent with 73 games is MSU
  • ND's seventh most frequent opponent with 47 games is Northwestern
  • ND's eighth most frequent opponent with 38 games is Michigan
  • ND's fourteenth most frequent opponent with 25 games is Indiana
  • ND's fifteenth most frequent opponent with 24 games is Iowa
  • Penn State (19), Wisconsin (17), Nebraska (16), and Illinois (11) have also each played the Irish at least 11 times.

Only Ohio State (6), Minnesota (5), Rutgers (5), UCLA (4), and Maryland (2) have not frequently played the Irish.
I remember as a kid in a Catholic grade school (1-8) one of the 8th graders singing the ND Fight Song in the locker room. Sort of neat, but we were in Dubuque, Iowa.  I was a Hawkeye fan, but lived in a Catholic community with a lot of Notre Dame people. Notre Dame played Iowa in Iowa's rivalry week for about 20-years, and after 1968, the series suddenly stopped.

In 1963 the game was canceled. One of my now buddies who is a mentor, was in law school then. He went to the Iowa Memorial Union and obtained a game day program from a big stack of programs since after JFK was assassinated the game was called off - it was supposed to have been an Iowa home game. The program cover hangs in his office, along with his season ticket.

After I attended an FSU @ ND game I found that the same cover of the Iowa game day program from 1963 for a game that wasn't played, also hangs in Notre Dame Stadium, but it is bigger. I took this photo in 2018 as I left an FSU disaster. As much as I hate Notre Dame, it does suck losing your rival. It is sort of like, your brother vacated, and never said good-bye.

Notre Dame is worth a lot for the Big Ten. I would like to think Iowa is worth something to Notre Dame, but it isn't.
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« Reply #79 on: July 05, 2022, 01:48:33 AM »
It was Notre Dame snubbing the Big 10. They were stuck on 11, and had to get the next best Midwestern brand in order to have a CCG, and that was Nebraska. 

Then the divisions would have been really imbalanced with OSU, Michigan, Penn St and Notre Dame, all in the B1G East; with no Rutgers or Maryland. B1G West would be the same, minus Nebraska. 

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« Reply #80 on: July 05, 2022, 01:58:01 AM »
In Kinnick Stadium the following relief is posted of Nile Kinnick's winning TD against ND in 1939. Iowa-Notre Dame was a storied rivalry that disappeared. Iowa State replaced Notre Dame as a nonconference rivalry game. It is not a quid-pro-quo. It is a step down. 

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« Reply #81 on: July 05, 2022, 04:48:54 AM »
That would have never happened because PSU joined the Big Ten before the BE was formalized.

JoePa wanted to do a conference with Pitt, VT, WVU, Cuse, Rutgers, and BC and the idea was shot down.
The Big East voted on Penn State joining in 1982, for non-football sports.  They missed it by 1 vote.  If PSU was in the Big East for basketball et al, when the Big East football conference came to be, PSU would naturally have been in it.
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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #82 on: July 05, 2022, 07:58:07 AM »
Could ND reasonably stay Indy at this point?  I suppose it's possible of course, but you'd say unlikely very?

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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #83 on: July 05, 2022, 08:08:18 AM »
The Big East voted on Penn State joining in 1982, for non-football sports.  They missed it by 1 vote.  If PSU was in the Big East for basketball et al, when the Big East football conference came to be, PSU would naturally have been in it.
About 10ish years ago I think it was ESPN that ran a retrospective on this. Paterno wanted an Eastern all sports league and the Big East missed becoming such by one vote.

I think that is probably the most consequential realignment decision of the last 50 years because most of what has happened since would have been different if PSU was anchoring an expanded Big East.

 

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