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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #112 on: July 07, 2022, 02:40:18 PM »
@Temp430  Sure, but it depends on the point of view....maybe the SEC wants more Floridas and fewer Arkansas'.  Or perhaps UVA or GT would like to be among the best within its conference academically, instead of middle-of-the-road. 
If an ACC school doesn't want to be mired in academic mediocrity, it may have to, with no other options. 
But you're right.
Clemson is more SEC-y.  FSU, too.  Idk about Miami. 
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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #113 on: July 19, 2022, 10:32:50 AM »
Notre Dame is trying to squeeze $75 million per year out of NBC.  The Irish will schedule some Big 12 games.




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« Reply #114 on: July 19, 2022, 11:04:17 AM »
they might get it from the  LIV Golf league
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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #115 on: July 20, 2022, 04:00:48 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 07, 2022, 02:40:18 PM
 Or perhaps UVA or GT would like to be among the best within its conference academically, instead of middle-of-the-road. 
Isn't UVA considered one of the top public universities academically in the nation?  Wouldn't they be near the top in any football conference?
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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #116 on: July 21, 2022, 12:32:26 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 20, 2022, 04:00:48 PM
Isn't UVA considered one of the top public universities academically in the nation?  Wouldn't they be near the top in any football conference?

From what I've gathered here, over the course of numerous realignment threads, is that UVA is similar to ND - great undergrad academics (and rankings), but not so much on the research bit.
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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #117 on: July 21, 2022, 06:55:47 AM »
I think their research bit is quite a bit better than NDs, and overall they rank pretty high among publics, and are AAU.  ND is not.

ND is more akin to say Miami.  UVA is more akin to Michigan or UCalBerkley.  UVA would rank near the top of any football conference.
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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #118 on: July 21, 2022, 08:19:50 AM »
Since Notre Dame gets a new media rights contract in 2025, I expect them to make some kind of move in 2024 (we have to be patient). The Irish seem to like their Independence, so unless pressure (real or imagined) is applied, why should they change? 

They have to think they might get left out of future playoff opportunities, if they don’t join, one of the two proposed super-conferences. So, in order to motivate ND, the B1G and SEC should act publicly, like they are fully behind the Super-Conference idea, and those that don’t join, “will be on the outside looking in”. Once Notre Dame moves, it should start an avalanche of realignment activity, the collapse of the ACC among them.

I think that this is very bad for the future of the sport, but wonderful if you are a television executive. 
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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #119 on: July 21, 2022, 09:17:11 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 21, 2022, 12:32:26 AM
From what I've gathered here, over the course of numerous realignment threads, is that UVA is similar to ND - great undergrad academics (and rankings), but not so much on the research bit.
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 21, 2022, 06:55:47 AM
I think their research bit is quite a bit better than NDs, and overall they rank pretty high among publics, and are AAU.  ND is not.

ND is more akin to say Miami.  UVA is more akin to Michigan or UCalBerkley.  UVA would rank near the top of any football conference.
I looked this up a long time ago and from what I remember you two pretty well have it. UVA is somewhat like ND in that their undergraduate academics are stellar (would be one of the best in any league) and their graduate/research programs are MUCH better than ND's but still nowhere close to their undergraduate rankings.

An interesting wrinkle is VaTech. VaTech's graduate/research programs IIRC, are better than UVA's which indicates that VaTech may be a better B1G fit than UVA.

UVA isn't "akin to Michigan or Cal-Berkley" in that UVA's research is nowhere close to either of those schools. OTOH, it isn't as weak as ND either.
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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #120 on: July 21, 2022, 09:26:18 AM »
The are akin to those two schools in university rankings, which could imply their undergrad must be SUPERB to compensate for inferior graduate research programs.

Engineering schools tend to be better in graduate programs than "liberal arts" schools of course, Tech is better than UGA for example.  UGA is pretty good undergrad and not nearly that good graduate.
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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #121 on: July 21, 2022, 10:45:46 AM »
An interesting update:
UVA has surpassed VaTech in research spending. Back in 2014 VaTech was ranked #39 while UVA was #61 but UVA moved ahead in 2018 and in the 2020 (most recent available) rankings UVA was #44 while VaTech was #49.

Notre Dame was #109.
Notre Dame's academics:
According to USNWR undergraduate rankings, Notre Dame is #19. In the B1G that would be second best behind only #9 Northwestern. It is also behind #6 Chicago but Chicago isn't an athletic member so second best among those competing in B1G sports.

Their research spending, however, would be dead last and it isn't even close. Notre Dame ranks #109 nationally with 2020 research spending of $227,535M. That is almost a hundred million less than the B1G's current basement of #81 Nebraska. 
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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #122 on: July 21, 2022, 10:58:19 AM »
Ranking of schools that compete in major sports by research spending:

  • #2 Michigan 
  • #5 Washington 
  • #7 UCLA
  • #8 Wisconsin 
  • #10 Stanford
  • #11 DOOK
  • #13 UNC
  • #14 aTm
  • #15 Pitt
  • #16 Maryland 
  • #19 GaTech
  • #20 Minnesota 
  • #22 Penn State
  • #24 Ohio State
  • #26 Florida 
  • #27 USC
  • #29 Northwestern 
  • #30 UC-Berkley
  • #31 Vanderbilt
  • #34 Texas*
  • #35 Arizona 
  • #37 Indiana
  • #38 Michigan State 
  • #39 Illinois 
  • #40 Rutgers 

*It was brought to my attention in the past that Texas is penalized here by the fact that their medical research is listed separately. Indeed, the UT MD Anderson Cancer Center is #18 on the list and the combined total for that and #34 UT-Austin would be #2 behind John's Hopkins but ahead of Michigan. 

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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #123 on: July 21, 2022, 12:45:21 PM »
UNL's medical is also separate

but, in realignment talk, it's obvious that the networks don't give a damn about academics or research programs or geography

they only care about football content for TV ratings and TV $$$

UVA isn't even close to ND in this one value - neither is any other program not in the SEC or Big Ten
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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #124 on: July 21, 2022, 12:51:30 PM »
Medical spending can be a large portion of overall, if counted of course.  UGA med school is in Augusta.  UGA engineering school is in Atlanta.

I'm surprised to see Vandy that high, private schools usually have less R&D stuff.  I'm surprised UNC is ahead of UVA.

I posted a link on SI's ranking of "program value" somewhere, not because I thought it "correct", but it's mildly interesting and provides some information.

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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #125 on: July 22, 2022, 05:48:19 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on July 21, 2022, 10:45:46 AM
An interesting update:
UVA has surpassed VaTech in research spending. Back in 2014 VaTech was ranked #39 while UVA was #61 but UVA moved ahead in 2018 and in the 2020 (most recent available) rankings UVA was #44 while VaTech was #49.

Notre Dame was #109.
Notre Dame's academics:
According to USNWR undergraduate rankings, Notre Dame is #19. In the B1G that would be second best behind only #9 Northwestern. It is also behind #6 Chicago but Chicago isn't an athletic member so second best among those competing in B1G sports.

Their research spending, however, would be dead last and it isn't even close. Notre Dame ranks #109 nationally with 2020 research spending of $227,535M. That is almost a hundred million less than the B1G's current basement of #81 Nebraska.

Careful with the sloppy research of USNWR prints.
 
Of Note. Nebraska lost it's AAU standing (and ~100 Mil accounted research dollars) when it's Medical campus, was listed by AAU as a branch campus and not part of their main. (They didn't really lose the money it's just now considered part of the branch campus research dollars not main.) The same thing has happened to Va Tech, their medical campus research dollars are not included.
 
And while that sucks for those two schools who now seem more middle of the road higher learning instructions, it has been a huge boon for Ohio State, who now looks a lot better because it can include it's medical research dollars (top 5 last time I looked) as part of the academic main campus.

I think with this last round of expansion, all those Red Herrings of "Border State", Academic Alliance" "Flagship University" "AAU Status" Research Dollars" all mean squat. All that matters is will the inclusion of your university bring a larger TV football contract. 

It's Simple, If Notre Dame can get a TV contract on Par with B1G/SEC they won't join a conference. 
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