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Topic: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas

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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #42 on: Today at 09:37:39 AM »
Go Duke.  Then the format will change again.  Imagine the top G5 champion got a bye.
It already did happen (Boise got a bye last season), so they already did change the format (in 2025 the top 4 seeds get a bye, not the top 4 conference champs).

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #43 on: Today at 09:43:36 AM »
No three loss team should be on the playoff.  I don’t like two loss teams in it either. 
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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #44 on: Today at 09:50:44 AM »
Having 2 L teams is inevitable because there aren't that many 0-1 L teams of course.  But I agree 12 is too many, and we're headed to 16, and then 92.

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I THINK if a really good team schedules an Ohio State and loses, they are unlikely to lose two more games.  I THINK Texas is a tad short of "really good".  Had they lost to say Oklahoma and UGA by 10, they'd have a better argument, I think.  Will this impact future scheduling?  

I think the weaker programs that are P4 will garner a LOT of interest for scheduling.

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #45 on: Today at 11:11:38 AM »
My first thought is always going to be, who are you up against for the spot? Like, who gets thrown out if Texas gets the “if a cupcake” or more likely, “if TCU” situation? You don’t reward teams in a vacuum.

And if that No. 10 team really feels like you want to chuck them out, so be it. But that context will always be a big part of it.

Then there are two other thoughts:
-If Texas just went four pure cupcakes, it’s fair to say, it might become a thing and might be held against them. Team tied for fifth, played probably the worst non-con of any contender, that’d be a thing. So for clarity, we should say if they’d played a non-powerhouse P5.

-If anything, the good non-conference opponent thing has meant less than it ever has. In the olden days this board often pines for, losing that game would’ve very likely ended Texas’ title hopes 60 minutes into the season. The four-team era would’ve been more forgiving, but still, if you wanted to chase national title, playing Ohio State was a bad idea.

And yet, with that always being a risk, people did it perpetually. So is the difference that we’re just super playoff focused? That we have a committee that’s answerable in a way voters weren’t? It probably doesn’t totally matter, since they’ll all go to nine plus a power non-conference team, but there’s always going to be the challenge that in this sport, for fans and often team assessments, losing is most of the time treated as worse than winning.

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #46 on: Today at 11:12:19 AM »
The Atlantic Coast has a lot of sand.
Nowadays, the pacific one does too. 

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #47 on: Today at 11:14:51 AM »
There was a lot of beach erosion on the Atlantic Coast this year.
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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #48 on: Today at 11:44:08 AM »
My first thought is always going to be, who are you up against for the spot? Like, who gets thrown out if Texas gets the “if a cupcake” or more likely, “if TCU” situation? You don’t reward teams in a vacuum.

And if that No. 10 team really feels like you want to chuck them out, so be it. But that context will always be a big part of it.

Then there are two other thoughts:
-If Texas just went four pure cupcakes, it’s fair to say, it might become a thing and might be held against them. Team tied for fifth, played probably the worst non-con of any contender, that’d be a thing. So for clarity, we should say if they’d played a non-powerhouse P5.

-If anything, the good non-conference opponent thing has meant less than it ever has. In the olden days this board often pines for, losing that game would’ve very likely ended Texas’ title hopes 60 minutes into the season. The four-team era would’ve been more forgiving, but still, if you wanted to chase national title, playing Ohio State was a bad idea.

And yet, with that always being a risk, people did it perpetually. So is the difference that we’re just super playoff focused? That we have a committee that’s answerable in a way voters weren’t? It probably doesn’t totally matter, since they’ll all go to nine plus a power non-conference team, but there’s always going to be the challenge that in this sport, for fans and often team assessments, losing is most of the time treated as worse than winning.
I don't recall pre-BCS days much, but I think maybe back then, you knew that if you had to impress the voters. And a weak non-con wasn't going to get it done, especially if your conference slate was weaker than normal (not so much the case for Texas this year with top 10 OU and A&M on the slate). You needed style points. 

A Texas win over OSU might be necessary to sway the voters if they'd gone 11-1 with two wins over OU and A&M and only one inexplicable loss to a bad Florida team. A Texas one-score loss to OSU might be excused by voters if they'd gone 11-1 with two wins over OU and A&M and blown out everyone else on the schedule. (Obviously not if OSU went undefeated--but if OSU lost two and Texas was being considered against other 1-loss teams for the NC.)


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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #49 on: Today at 12:40:53 PM »
Even a small committee of "wise" college football people won't do much more than rank teams by number of losses.  
As I've said ad nauseum, 7 year olds could do that.

Let's go back to the computers, please.  The actual computers, not altered ones from the start.  Their best, formulas - whatever they deem that to be.

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I think a major thing people didn't like about the computers was how a team could be ranked, say 3rd, and with a very weak upcoming opponent, knew it was going to drop, no matter how much they won by.  I think that was problematic.

But wouldn't an easy fix to that be to plug in a team's entire schedule, with future games inputted as a tie?  Some average-score tie, like 24-24?  That way it doesn't help or harm, but the SOS aspect is already baked into your ranking...everyone's ranking.

Yes, I'd like to see some real nuance and objectivity in the rankings.  Yes, sometimes a 3-loss team is better than an undefeated team (with a radical difference in SOS).  Yes, sometimes the loser of a h2h game should be ranked higher than the team who beat them, even with an equal number of overall losses.

Since humans suck so badly at this, let's stop having humans do it.








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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #50 on: Today at 12:42:25 PM »
Reminds me of 2008, OSU was preseason #1, lost bad to USC, and the season was over before the Big Ten slate even started. They benched the QB that took them to the NCG the year before, and it was rebuilding mode with a freshman Terrelle Pryor. 

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #51 on: Today at 12:44:26 PM »
It already did happen (Boise got a bye last season), so they already did change the format (in 2025 the top 4 seeds get a bye, not the top 4 conference champs).

The top 4 last year was broken, and they also happened to go 0-4. 

This tweaking, however logical, is just like the old BCS.  Set up a system, it spits out something you don't like, tweak it to your liking.  The system spits out something you don't like again, tweak it to your liking.

I hate how limited we (humans - ie decision-makers in a big-money enterprise) are when it comes to this stuff.  It's like we insist on bias.  Objectivity is the enemy, even when it's the stated goal, lol.
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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #52 on: Today at 12:49:34 PM »
I think a major thing people didn't like about the computers was how a team could be ranked, say 3rd, and with a very weak upcoming opponent, knew it was going to drop, no matter how much they won by.  I think that was problematic.
I like it.  Encourages better opponents.
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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #53 on: Today at 12:55:45 PM »
The committee left out FSU when they didn't have a quarterback. Can they leave out Ole Miss for not having a coach?

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #54 on: Today at 01:00:22 PM »
I think a major thing people didn't like about the computers 
I think a major thing people didn't like about the computers was that they didn't agree with the human polls. 

If the objective computers didn't agree with the subjective polls, people got mad and demanded they be tweaked. Because they were obviously "wrong". 

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #55 on: Today at 01:03:08 PM »
I think a major thing people didn't like about the computers was that they didn't agree with the human polls.

If the objective computers didn't agree with the subjective polls, people got mad and demanded they be tweaked. Because they were obviously "wrong".
And yet many people insist we aren't animals...
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