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Topic: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas

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medinabuckeye1

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What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« on: November 29, 2025, 05:04:29 PM »
Michigan and Texas are both 9-3. They'd lost OOC road games to Oklahoma and Ohio State respectively. If they had instead hosted cupcakes they'd be 10-2 and possibly playoff bound. 

On one hand, you can say that they had their chances against CFP teams and lost.

OTOH, I'm uncomfortable discouraging games like M/OU and TX/tOSU. 

What say you?

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2025, 05:15:50 PM »
Rank them higher than you would if they'd played cupcakes and won

 Yes, a little higher
Obviously, deserve to be ranked above a few 2 loss teams that played cupcakes

OU is not tOSU - Michigan's schedule is weaker than Texas - Texas handled OU

I'd give Texas a little more of a bump than I would Michigan
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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2025, 05:28:36 PM »
I'd put Texas in the CFP top 4 but it's possible that I'm biased... :)

No seriously though, if you don't put Texas into the CFP this year, then you're telling the Texas administration to cancel the future games against Ohio State, Michigan, and Notre Dame, and replace them with Georgia State like Ole Miss did.

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2025, 05:37:39 PM »
like I said, "depends on the 2-loss teams and their resumes"

if a few of the highly respected 2-loss teams lose , then Texas has a path
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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2025, 05:40:52 PM »
like I said, "depends on the 2-loss teams and their resumes"

if a few of the highly respected 2-loss teams lose , then Texas has a path
The point being made, is that a 10-2 Texas doesn't "need a path."  10-2 Texas with wins over Top 12 A&M, OU, and Vanderbilt, is a lock for the playoff.  So if Texas had scheduled Georgia State instead of Ohio State, the Horns would be in, even with the loss to Florida.

So... what do you do?  The committee has stated previously they don't want to punish teams for scheduling tough OOC games, and you better believe the TV Network partners would rather see Texas play Ohio State than Georgia State.

But if Texas doesn't get into the playoff this year, then it's a clear message that scheduling tough OOC games, doesn't pay off if you lose.  

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2025, 05:46:40 PM »
The point being made, is that a 10-2 Texas doesn't "need a path."  10-2 Texas with wins over Top 12 A&M, OU, and Vanderbilt, is a lock for the playoff.  So if Texas had scheduled Georgia State instead of Ohio State, the Horns would be in, even with the loss to Florida.

So... what do you do?  The committee has stated previously they don't want to punish teams for scheduling tough OOC games, and you better believe the TV Network partners would rather see Texas play Ohio State than Georgia State.

But if Texas doesn't get into the playoff this year, then it's a clear message that scheduling tough OOC games, doesn't pay off if you lose. 
I agree and I posted this question to discuss exactly this issue.

The other thing that I'll add is that I'm not sure that the TX/M wins materially helped tOSU/OU. Obviously Ohio State is an unusual case since they are undefeated and you can't be higher than #1 but what about Oklahoma? Would they be materially lower if they had scheduled Georgia State?

If not then that is even worse because it means that there is a SUBSTANTIAL penalty for the loser (TX/M) and no real benefit to the winner.

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2025, 05:48:20 PM »
It's tough. 

For Texas, they have a couple of really solid wins, but losing to Florida is a bad loss, and one-score wins over Kentucky / MissSt aren't really all that impressive. And yeah, they beat the pants off bad teams like Arkansas, Sam Houston, UTEP, and SJSU, as they should, but they should also have beat the pants off Kentucky and MissSt. I don't fault them for losing on the road in a one-score game to OSU. But have they done enough to overcome the losses? I think so with wins over three teams currently ranked. 

For Michigan, it's harder. The losses are worse. Yeah, there's no loss to a team like Florida, but every loss was a 2(+) score game. And who have they beaten? Their best win will likely be Washington who likely will be 8-4 and unranked after today. They haven't shown they can compete with the CFP field. They've lost by 2(+) scores to every ranked team they've played. 

I agree with utee that the one thing we want to avoid is penalizing a team for scheduling tough. 

But I think that when we look at 3-loss teams, Texas at least has an argument, whereas Michigan doesn't. But it'll ultimately come down to what slots are available. Texas will still likely be an "end of CFP field" team, i.e. 10-12 seed, and you have to ask whether there are teams that have proven themselves more worthy of that spot. Ultimately they're going to need some sort of carnage from a couple teams ahead of them to slide in... 

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2025, 05:55:08 PM »
The committee always hamstrings itself a little bit because their criteria is a bit nebulous and for whatever reason referring to objective rankings is controversial for whatever reason. But we have good objective rankings and it seems silly not to refer to them to at least see if a team is much better or worse than their record.

My favorite is SP+. Its ranking before this weekend:

  • OSU
  • Indiana
  • Texas Tech
  • Oregon
  • ND
  • Georgia
  • TAMU
  • Ole Miss
  • Utah
  • Bama
  • Miami
  • Oklahoma
Texas is 23rd and Michigan is 22nd. Michigan hasn't been competitive with the three best teams they played. Texas has some good wins but also some rough losses and looked pretty meh in some of their wins. Their rank will rise after this weekend; we'll see how much but probably not far enough that I would feel bad if they were left out.



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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2025, 05:56:53 PM »
We don’t yet know their competition.  

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2025, 05:57:48 PM »
adding a few more 2-loss teams might help the Texas case

such as Oregon losing to Washington or Texas Tech/BYU
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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2025, 05:58:44 PM »
    Texas is 23rd and Michigan is 22nd. Michigan hasn't been competitive with the three best teams they played. Texas has some good wins but also some rough losses and looked pretty meh in some of their wins. Their rank will rise after this weekend; we'll see how much but probably not far enough that I would feel bad if they were left out.[/list]
    This! Good take Sam.

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    Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
    « Reply #11 on: November 29, 2025, 06:01:39 PM »
    I don't think the committee gives a 3-loss Texas the nod over a 2-loss with with an equal resume, just because of that non-con game vs tOSU, but they might because of the Texas helmet

    now, head to head vs 3-loss teams, yes, Texas gets the nod
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    Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
    « Reply #12 on: November 29, 2025, 06:02:13 PM »
    Yeah, for Texas, I agree in general with what y'all are saying on the merits of the season overall, as it stands.  There are plenty of deserving teams, that currently are,, and will be, ranked ahead of Texas.

    But the question at hand, the one medina is working to tease out, is-- if Texas doesn't get into the CFP this year with everything playing out exactly as it has, then what reason is there to schedule tough OOC games at all?

    I keep bringing up Ole Miss scheduling a home game against Georgia State in their opener, while Texas scheduled an away game @Ohio State.

    As poorly as Texas played early in the season, there's no doubt that Texas would have beaten Georgia State.  And there's also no question that a 10-2 Texas with the rest of the results exactly as they are, is getting into the CFP.

    So if the committee just looks at the W/L column and eliminates Texas at 3 losses, then they're confirming that there's no benefit to scheduling tough.  It's especially true given how closely Texas played Ohio State on the road in Columbus.  That 7 point differential is by far the closest game anyone has played against Ohio State all season long.

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    Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
    « Reply #13 on: November 29, 2025, 06:02:24 PM »
    Oklahoma in some trouble.  

     

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