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Topic: What should be the priorities that guide scheduling

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Cincydawg

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Re: What should be the priorities that guide scheduling
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2019, 05:51:29 AM »
UNC fans complain about their scheduling and say they don't want to pay to watch them play Bill and Mary, which I get.  So, my notion is to sign up the Big Boys to generate excitement, at least initially.  Play UGA again in ATL Game One and get a paycheck.  A program like ND or Texas would likely sign up (not for Maryland), and then they'd have at least some notice.  Now, the obvious downside is going 1-3 OOC when they might have been 3-1.  Snaggle 3-4 more ACC wins and go to some minor bowl game, again with sparse attendance and perhaps a negative payout.

Dunno, just a wild thought.  UNC needs to try something, like say hiring an aging coach with a name.

UGA has scheduled 11 P5 teams for three years running 2026-2028 or so. FSU/Texas, Clemson, and GT.  Maybe GT won't be P5 by then though.

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Re: What should be the priorities that guide scheduling
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2019, 07:10:53 AM »
I want to see 10 P5 games on the football slate each year.  I have a notion that a "down and out program" like say UNC should step it up to 11, and one pastry.  Sign'em up and play serious P5 teams.  It would help attendance and help getting noticed and might help recruiting.  Yes, you might miss out going 6-6, but so what?

Imagine UNC played Oregon and Wisconsin and Texas A&M OOC one year.  Excitement. 

The top level teams have to consider whether an additional P5 would knock them out of the top four.

But play ten anyway.  That only means one more for the B1G.
I see what you are saying but playing all of those teams might be TOO much for a program of UNC’s stature.  Your coach might not appreciate that schedule if he has a contract that has some incentives tied to bowl appearances, ranked finishes, etc.

I think with attendance becoming more an issue each year we are going to see AD’s start bumping up schedules somewhat.  As someone mentioned previously WVU has 11 P5 games scheduled through 2024 and they are mostly against old  regional rivals (Pitt, Penn St, Maryland, VT).  Those games will be sellouts and generate huge buzz among the fanbase. We miss playing those schools. Now, does new HC Neal Brown love that schedule? Maybe not, but those games were scheduled in advance of him coming.


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Re: What should be the priorities that guide scheduling
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2019, 07:35:46 AM »
I'm starting to think the AD's don't much care about attendance anymore. They are more interested in broadcast monies.

Lots of places are starting to serve alcohol. That might help attendance, but what does it say for the health of the sport itself?
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Re: What should be the priorities that guide scheduling
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2019, 07:35:51 AM »
Well, I'm far from convinced of my "plan".  But I think a program like UNC (not WVU) needs to try something.

They should have some excitement this season, but it likely will diminish as reality sets in.

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Re: What should be the priorities that guide scheduling
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2019, 07:39:52 AM »
ADs are more interested in money, yes indeed.  Alcohol is a part of that, a minor part I presume.  

When I attended UNC I was shocked at the lack of interest in football (relative to UGA).  It seemed to be a sidelight, a thing that happened each fall, but there was not much fervor or enthusiasm or attendance.  It's trite to note it's not a football school, but that has a lot of relevance I think.

I imagine were they able to get to 8-9-10 wins their attendance would improve of course, but it still would be so-so.  Kentucky usually sells out the football stadium, last I checked, and South Carolina fans support their team seriously.  NCSU is more of a football school.  UNC isn't.

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Re: What should be the priorities that guide scheduling
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2019, 08:09:04 AM »
selling alcohol won't help attendance, but it generates revenue

winning helps attendance

fans would rather watch Iowa win vs Iowa State and UNI than lose to Notre Dame
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Re: What should be the priorities that guide scheduling
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2019, 08:19:44 AM »
I'm starting to think the AD's don't much care about attendance anymore. They are more interested in broadcast monies.

Lots of places are starting to serve alcohol. That might help attendance, but what does it say for the health of the sport itself?
The theory about alcohol is part money, part reducing in-Stadium alcohol issues.

I love a good game day, but I think the appeal of standing outside for 3.5 hours in oft-unpleasant elements has waned to a degree. Plus, people are concerned about watching a good product rather than just a gameday, and irrational standards just keep rising.

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Re: What should be the priorities that guide scheduling
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2019, 08:23:44 AM »
At least around heah, the "elements" are usually very nice in the Fall, at least until late November.  


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Re: What should be the priorities that guide scheduling
« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2019, 08:37:47 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg 6/4/2019, 5:51:29 AM

UNC fans complain about their scheduling and say they don't want to pay to watch them play Bill and Mary, which I get.  So, my notion is to sign up the Big Boys to generate excitement, at least initially.  Play UGA again in ATL Game One and get a paycheck.  A program like ND or Texas would likely sign up (not for Maryland), and then they'd have at least some notice.  Now, the obvious downside is going 1-3 OOC when they might have been 3-1.  Snaggle 3-4 more ACC wins and go to some minor bowl game, again with sparse attendance and perhaps a negative payout.

Dunno, just a wild thought.  UNC needs to try something, like say hiring an aging coach with a name.

UGA has scheduled 11 P5 teams for three years running 2026-2028 or so. FSU/Texas, Clemson, and GT.  Maybe GT won't be P5 by then though.

UNC non-conference P5 of late:
2018 - Cal, UCF was there but I’m sure that doesn’t count
2017 - Cal, ND
2016 - UGA, Illinois
2015 - South Carolina, Illinois
2014 - Notre Dame
2013 - South Carolina
2012 - Louisville

My rule of thumb is this. Most people who are fans of a team care very little about the opponent beyond the name. Bill and Mary might be better than some bad P5 they face, but it gets an eyeroll. And in the past, I bet Illinois and Cal did too.

And if you only don’t roll eyes at teams that beat your brains in, you’re gonna end up leaving the stadium rolling your eyes at the team you care about.

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Re: What should be the priorities that guide scheduling
« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2019, 08:42:51 AM »
Yeah, as I said, I'm not sure it's a good tactic, but would it help recruiting some?  Is that a recruiting angle?

Imagine looking 2-3 years out and seeing OOC games versus South Carolina, Notre Dame, and Texas ....????

The ACC right now isn't providing much by way of marquis opponents.

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Re: What should be the priorities that guide scheduling
« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2019, 08:48:16 AM »
 I wonder what on earth these people are thinking who run the show at Iowa. Appeasing Iowa State should not be a Hawkeye goal to accomplish, but the administration does a pretty good job of appeasement.
I'm guessing these people are more about appeasing the state government than their peers in Ames.

Keeping a P5 game of high interest in the state generates much more revenue than playing in South Bend
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Re: What should be the priorities that guide scheduling
« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2019, 09:41:47 AM »
As for football at Iowa, I would like to see Iowa delete Iowa State from its schedule about 1 year out of 3 and replace ISU with Iowa's traditional nonconference rival, Notre Dame. Well, not going to happen. Just today it was announced the Iowa State - Iowa series is extended through 2025.

The Iowa - Notre Dame series, up until 1968 or 69, when it ended, was usually scheduled in rivalry week in the 1950s and 1960s. I wonder what on earth these people are thinking who run the show at Iowa. Appeasing Iowa State should not be a Hawkeye goal to accomplish, but the administration does a pretty good job of appeasement.
I mean this nicely, this is a very college football sentiment. 

Maintaining a rivalry that simply should exist for logical regional reasons is appeasement. It's a funny bit of provincialism. Of course I want my brother to move out of the house, better roommates would kill to live with me. 

Anyway, if they want to schedule ND, they should just do it. Call ND, negotiate schedule a home-and-home opposite ISU and be done with it. (Iowa's non-conf history is kinda fascinating. Outside ISU a lot of teams like UW in the mid-2000s got at P5 foes. Arizona, Arizona State, Syracuse and so. Much. Pitt)

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Re: What should be the priorities that guide scheduling
« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2019, 09:51:19 AM »
Okay, so take all of that into consideration, and then imagine if you're a school with an annual neutral-site game.  There's another monkey in your wrench.
Unlike a lot of people on here, I don't have anything against neutral site games.  In fact, I REALLY like the traditional neutral site games like the WLOCP, Red River, etc. 

I don't know much about the financial angle.  How does the revenue for Florida and Georgia compare in playing two years in Jacksonville as opposed to one home game each? 

Over a two year period Florida has seven SEC home games, seven SEC road games, two neutral site SEC games, one home game with FSU, one road game at FSU, and room to schedule six more games.  If the revenue is about equal or better (it might be better) then I see the neutral site game as largely irrelevant.   

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Re: What should be the priorities that guide scheduling
« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2019, 09:51:58 AM »
FYI - with Iowa's recent rebuild of its north endzone seating in 2018, the official capacity for Iowa's football stadium is now only 69,250.
The figures I posted were for 2017 so it should still be right for that.  That was the most recent I saw in a quick search. 

 

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