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Topic: Week 1 SoC: Back in Business

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Re: Week 1 SoC: Back in Business
« Reply #435 on: Today at 07:53:58 AM »
Nebraska was already in the B1G, and Texas was another target.  Texas didn't even start looking for a soft landing until it was known that Nebraska was gone.

Like I said, their defection was the worst kept secret in college football history. 
The B1G took its shot at UT. When that didn't happen, they took Nebraska. *

* According to Barry Alvarez.
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« Reply #436 on: Today at 07:59:06 AM »
just an ex-husker spewing lies
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« Reply #437 on: Today at 08:51:09 AM »
The B1G took its shot at UT. When that didn't happen, they took Nebraska. *

* According to Barry Alvarez.
This is not correct.

Or rather, it's certainly possible that the B1G approached Texas, but Texas wasn't looking to move, until it was found that Nebraska was leaving, which destabilized the conference.

Perhaps the B1G thought dislodging Nebraska would force Texas to move.

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« Reply #438 on: Today at 08:58:04 AM »
OSU AD Gordon Gee (among others, including Alvarez) had a conversation with Texas AD Dodds, and it was noted that Texas could not come without aTm and TTU. 

UT, aTm and TTU were inseparable, until they were separable, I guess.

I believe that UT didn't really want to move and tried to keep the conference together.
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« Reply #439 on: Today at 09:04:39 AM »
OSU AD Gordon Gee (among others, including Alvarez) had a conversation with Texas AD Dodds, and it was noted that Texas could not come without aTm and TTU.

UT, aTm and TTU were inseparable, until they were separable, I guess.

I believe that UT didn't really want to move and tried to keep the conference together.
OK this sounds plausible.  I have no doubt overtures were made to Texas.  Not just by the B1G but by all the other conferences. 

But just think logically about it-- if Texas had really WANTED to move in 2009/2010, then why didn't Texas actually move in 2009/2010?  I mean, ANY of the B1G, PAC, or SEC would have gladly taken Texas at that time. 

If, as FearlessPotStirrer is suggesting, Texas was so desperate to go to the PAC in 2009/2010 that they were willing to destabilize the conference, why then didn't they actually follow through and do it?  The invitation was there.  And yet Texas didn't go.  Why?

The answer is of course that Texas never wanted to leave the B12 and only actively pursued other options when it was known that Nebraska was leaving and there was a fear that the conference would dissolve.  At that point, DeLoss started working with the PAC to arrange a soft landing spot for not only Texas, but also 5 other schools.

But then ESPN and Fox came through with enough money and guarantees to stabilize the conference (or so we thought at the time), and Texas was able to do what it had wanted to do the entire time-- stay in the B12.

The proof is in the pudding.  If Texas wanted to go to the PAC, why didn't they?  The answer is, they never wanted to go to the PAC, as long as the B12 remained a viable conference.



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« Reply #440 on: Today at 09:15:02 AM »
I believe that UT didn't really want to move and tried to keep the conference together.
 I couldn't say one way or another but I'd imagine this was more in line with the facts.From what I'd read on message boards most of the faithful on the 40 acres weren't to keen on going to the SEC either. I remember Hooky(sarcastically) saying last time Texas sided with them they got dragged into a losing war or sumsuch.They being of the mindest of much more frothy as opposed to enjoying the back porch sans salty 94 of course ;D
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Re: Week 1 SoC: Back in Business
« Reply #441 on: Today at 09:23:32 AM »
The proof is in the pudding. 
You mention this a lot well what kind of pudding? Jell-O/Hershey's or that Victorian era English boiled/jelled fruit broth or the revolting blood sauage slop?
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« Reply #442 on: Today at 09:41:25 AM »
You mention this a lot well what kind of pudding? Jell-O/Hershey's or that Victorian era English boiled/jelled fruit broth or the revolting blood sauage slop?
I've always preferred a French chocolate mousse.  I don't think it's technically a pudding but it's close enough for me.


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« Reply #443 on: Today at 09:46:22 AM »
I love it  how only utee knows, intimately, all the happenings with other conferences and invites pertaining to conference realignment.  Like the "man behind the curtain in Wizard of Oz".  All hail, the mighty Marcus, Wizard Know it all of Conference Realignment, whose team never did anything, and only others are responsible for breaking apart College Football Conferences.  

You can read 20 different accounts from 20 different sources who say the different things.  


Did you ever stop to consider that maybe UT wanted more than the PAC was willing to give, and that the "other" schools simply didn't want to go along?  I can promise you this, A&M would NEVER had went to the PAC.  Not in a million years.  But oh sure, SEC didn't want A&M in the early 90's, because you know Arkansas, state of 5 million or something, was just oh so much better.  

Maybe A&M wasn't afraid to move and simply did the best thing for it, long before UT was ready to admit the same thing.  Because in the end, we all know UT would be accepted into it's conference of choosing.  I really don't even know why we are still arguing about it 10-20 years later, it was bound to happen as more and more money has entered the picture.  

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« Reply #444 on: Today at 09:51:55 AM »
I love it  how only utee knows, intimately, all the happenings with other conferences and invites pertaining to conference realignment.  Like the "man behind the curtain in Wizard of Oz".  All hail, the mighty Marcus, Wizard Know it all of Conference Realignment, whose team never did anything, and only others are responsible for breaking apart College Football Conferences. 

You can read 20 different accounts from 20 different sources who say the different things. 


Did you ever stop to consider that maybe UT wanted more than the PAC was willing to give, and that the "other" schools simply didn't want to go along?  I can promise you this, A&M would NEVER had went to the PAC.  Not in a million years.  But oh sure, SEC didn't want A&M in the early 90's, because you know Arkansas, state of 5 million or something, was just oh so much better. 

Maybe A&M wasn't afraid to move and simply did the best thing for it, long before UT was ready to admit the same thing.  Because in the end, we all know UT would be accepted into it's conference of choosing.  I really don't even know why we are still arguing about it 10-20 years later, it was bound to happen as more and more money has entered the picture. 

Of course the Ags weren't going to the PAC.  Everyone was scrambling, and several schools including A&M were looking at all of their options.  A&M did LOOK at the PAC, but we all know the Ags have been looking eastward for decades, and when the SEC showed interest, that was all it took.  I've never once blamed A&M for doing what was in its best interest.  I've only objected when people have placed the blame at Texas' feet, for Nebraska and A&M going off and doing what was in their own best interests, as if this were somehow Texas' fault.  That's a bunch of bullshit and anyone espousing it can fuck right off.

As for your other sarcastic mocking bullshit, well, you can fuck right off with that, too.  Respectfully of course.

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« Reply #446 on: Today at 10:00:39 AM »
I love it  how only utee knows, intimately, all the happenings with other conferences and invites pertaining to conference realignment.  Like the "man behind the curtain in Wizard of Oz".  All hail, the mighty Marcus, Wizard Know it all of Conference Realignment, whose team never did anything, and only others are responsible for breaking apart College Football Conferences.
I've only objected when people have placed the blame at Texas' feet, for Nebraska and A&M going off and doing what was in their own best interests, as if this were somehow Texas' fault.  That's a bunch of bullshit and anyone espousing it can fuck right off.

As for your other sarcastic mocking bullshit, well, you can fuck right off with that, too.  Respectfully of course.
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« Reply #447 on: Today at 10:01:41 AM »
There's been a longtime meme on horfnans/shaggybevo/surlyhorns about the Mack Brown curse.  It used to apply to recruits who turned us down and suffered the consequences (real or imagined).  But then surly horns started using it for our own fortunes after Texas fired Mack Brown and then sucked for a decade and a half.

Now Carolina gets to feel it...




 

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