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Gigem

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Re: Week 1 SoC: Back in Business
« Reply #336 on: Today at 10:01:35 AM »
Why would Stanford say no to the B1G knowing the PAC would dissolve and then have to join the even worse ACC ?  
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« Reply #337 on: Today at 10:03:18 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on Today at 09:51:40 AM
This is categorically false.

I thought I explained this here before, but I will do it again.

My BIL is a USC alum and Stanford alum, a very prominent attorney and a booster for both schools.

His father, also a prominent attorney, played for USC, including a Rose Bowl against Northwestern (I shook his hand many of time, and he proudly wore that Rose Bowl ring until his dying day).

My BIL went to USC for undergrad, and then Stanford for his law degree.

The truth (long story short):

USC wanted Stanford. USC figured they could get UCLA as an OOC game whenever they wanted.

Stanford said "no" when it came to joining the B1G Academic Alliance and the B1G Presidents in turn said "no" to Stanford.

UCLA was the USC backup plan and UCLA was agreeable to joining the Alliance. For some reason the wonks in Rosemont allowed UCLA to join. This is known as the last failure of former Commissioner Kevin Warren.

I hope this clears things up for everyone.


https://btaa.org/about/member-universities

You're not disagreeing with what I've said.

USC wanted a partner in California.  It's fine if they first wanted Stanford and that got blown up, but they still wanted a partner in California, and they weren't going to come without one.

I hope this clears things up for you.
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Re: Week 1 SoC: Back in Business
« Reply #338 on: Today at 10:04:31 AM »
I disagree, again

they had no other better choice
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Re: Week 1 SoC: Back in Business
« Reply #339 on: Today at 10:09:53 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on Today at 10:04:31 AM
I disagree, again

they had no other better choice

What are you disagreeing with?  We all know that YOU personally don't like UCLA and if you were in charge you would have walked away rather than accepted them.  Heck you've also said you wouldn't have even taken USC.  You're acting like an irrational fan, not a businessman.

The B1G front office made the decision, not you.  And they don't agree with you.  They're fine with UCLA. 

The.  Proof.  Is.  In.  The.  Pudding.

This is inarguable, because it happened.
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Re: Week 1 SoC: Back in Business
« Reply #340 on: Today at 10:20:03 AM »
I'm happy to set things straight.
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« Reply #341 on: Today at 10:22:58 AM »
Quote from: Gigem on Today at 10:01:35 AM
Why would Stanford say no to the B1G knowing the PAC would dissolve and then have to join the even worse ACC ? 
At the time Stanford didn't know that Oregon and Washington were also leaving.

The B1G is academically snobbish. Stanford is above that, they think/thought.

In hindsight, they are very likely kicking themselves.

I mean, they joined a conference with Louisville and Clemson.
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« Reply #342 on: Today at 10:24:18 AM »
Stanford was one of the ones pushing back on adding anyone from the B12 in 2010.

Stanford pushed back on adding Texas by itself in 1991.

Short-sighted would be putting it mildly.
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« Reply #343 on: Today at 10:25:41 AM »
Too smart.
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Re: Week 1 SoC: Back in Business
« Reply #344 on: Today at 10:26:07 AM »
Is Stanford one of the non-Ivy schools in the Ivy ?library?/?research? system/consortium like Duke?

That would be a reason not to join the B1G. 
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« Reply #345 on: Today at 10:26:28 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on Today at 10:20:03 AM
I'm happy to set things straight.
Wha-ha-happened was.....
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« Reply #346 on: Today at 10:47:36 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on Today at 10:26:07 AM
Is Stanford one of the non-Ivy schools in the Ivy ?library?/?research? system/consortium like Duke?

That would be a reason not to join the B1G. 
It's a loose affiliation, but nothing binding.

Chicago left the Big 10 back in 1946 but remained as an academic member until the B1G took Nebraska. Then they bailed and affiliated with the Ivy+. Chicago is the most recent "member".

Michigan, Northwestern and Wisconsin (and Berkeley) turned down affiliation.

Member list (it's a good one)

  • Brown University,
  • Cornell University,
  • Columbia University,
  • Dartmouth College,
  • Duke University,
  • Harvard University,
  • Johns Hopkins University,
  • Massachusetts Institute of Technology,
  • Princeton University,
  • Stanford University,
  • The University of Chicago,
  • University of Pennsylvania, and
  • Yale University.

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Re: Week 1 SoC: Back in Business
« Reply #347 on: Today at 10:48:12 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on Today at 10:09:53 AM
What are you disagreeing with?  We all know that YOU personally don't like UCLA and if you were in charge you would have walked away rather than accepted them.  Heck you've also said you wouldn't have even taken USC.  You're acting like an irrational fan, not a businessman.

The B1G front office made the decision, not you.  And they don't agree with you.  They're fine with UCLA. 

The.  Proof.  Is.  In.  The.  Pudding.

This is inarguable, because it happened.
I've stated that it happened therefore I can't prove that USC would have joined the B1G w/o UCLA
My point is that if the Big would have refused to invite UCLA, that USC would have joined w/o a travel partner
As a business man, I'd take the Trojans, they bring more than they take away.
I wouldn't have allowed USC to dictate the terms.  They had no other better option.

I'd have told them to follow Stanford to the ACC
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Re: Week 1 SoC: Back in Business
« Reply #348 on: Today at 10:50:00 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on Today at 10:47:36 AM
It's a loose affiliation, but nothing binding.

Chicago left the Big 10 back in 1946 but remained as an academic member until the B1G took Nebraska. Then they bailed and affiliated with the Ivy+. Chicago is the most recent "member".

Michigan, Northwestern and Wisconsin (and Berkeley) turned down affiliation.

Member list (it's a good one)

  • Brown University,
  • Cornell University,
  • Columbia University,
  • Dartmouth College,
  • Duke University,
  • Harvard University,
  • Johns Hopkins University,
  • Massachusetts Institute of Technology,
  • Princeton University,
  • Stanford University,
  • The University of Chicago,
  • University of Pennsylvania, and
  • Yale University.


Okay, I think (THINK) I remember from a random video that if a school joined the B1G, they'd have to leave this group.  They simply may not want to do that.  But idk.
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Re: Week 1 SoC: Back in Business
« Reply #349 on: Today at 10:56:32 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on Today at 10:50:00 AM
Okay, I think (THINK) I remember from a random video that if a school joined the B1G, they'd have to leave this group.  They simply may not want to do that.  But idk.
I think you are right, which explains why UM, NU and UW decided to stick to the B1G and not join. They'd have to renounce the B1G entirely.
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