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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10752 on: September 22, 2024, 09:42:48 AM »
seems there are MANY MANY more "climate folks" than 10-20 years ago
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10753 on: September 22, 2024, 09:43:15 AM »
There is nothing we can do.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10754 on: September 22, 2024, 09:44:22 AM »
"They" have been talking about this red one for at least a week. 

"It may or may not develop."

Profound.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10755 on: September 22, 2024, 09:45:38 AM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10756 on: September 22, 2024, 09:51:20 AM »
I'm obviously all ears to read about some plan that has some chance of being effective at reducing a global T increase if the models are about correct.

The entirety of what I see happening or planned is a pittance, throwing a few billions at the wall and thinking it means anything.

Take Germany, one of the "green" leaders as a major country, and the reductions are there, but not meaningful on a global scale, and still high.  The low hanging fruit there is about expended, now they have the tough part of the equation.  And this is just one country making an expensive effort.  It's pretty clear their 2030 target won't be achieved barring some economic collapse or major recession.  Net zero by 2050 is laughable.  And this is probably the BEST anyone has done (leaving out small countries like Norway with other factors at play).

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10757 on: September 22, 2024, 09:51:33 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on September 22, 2024, 09:45:38 AM

Man, trying nothing has been really expensive so far.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10758 on: September 22, 2024, 09:58:53 AM »
I'm not sure there is any successful path forward without a major commitment to nuclear power, and I believe China is the only country making such a commitment. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10759 on: September 22, 2024, 10:03:10 AM »
Maybe they are, but it appears to be having rather limited impact, if any, so far.



And of course their comparative increase in nuclear is .... modest.  That black part of the equation appears to be .... black.



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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10760 on: September 22, 2024, 10:04:59 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on September 22, 2024, 09:58:53 AM
I'm not sure there is any successful path forward without a major commitment to nuclear power, and I believe China is the only country making such a commitment.
The greenies did a great job killing off nuke power.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10761 on: September 22, 2024, 10:06:44 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 22, 2024, 10:03:10 AM
Maybe they are, but it appears to be having rather limited impact, if any, so far.



And of course their comparative increase in nuclear is .... modest.  That black part of the equation appears to be .... black.




They have a huge amount of coal power. Coal is cheap. But they are actually building nuclear reactors, and we aren't. That would disrupt the fracking industry and offend environmentalists, so lose lose.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10762 on: September 22, 2024, 10:06:47 AM »
Nuclear Power Is the Only Solution | TIME

But he provides no practicable plan, only aspirations.  No costs, no projections, really nothing but his opinion, which is fine.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10763 on: September 22, 2024, 10:08:20 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on September 22, 2024, 10:06:44 AM
They have a huge amount of coal power. Coal is cheap. But they are actually building nuclear reactors, and we aren't. That would disrupt the fracking industry and offend environmentalists, so lose lose.
Yes, they are building more reactors, as is India, and a few others.  But, the power generation from nuclear in China is obviously a pittance on a relative scale.  It's fine to build more nukes, I'm for it, but to suggest that will have any real impact on CO2 production over the next few decades is simply wrong.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10764 on: September 22, 2024, 10:11:50 AM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10765 on: September 22, 2024, 10:13:30 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on September 22, 2024, 10:08:20 AM
Yes, they are building more reactors, as is India, and a few others.  But, the power generation from nuclear in China is obviously a pittance on a relative scale.  It's fine to build more nukes, I'm for it, but to suggest that will have any real impact on CO2 production over the next few decades is simply wrong.
Well, how about the next few centuries?
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