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MarqHusker

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #336 on: April 10, 2018, 05:28:43 PM »
That's a good one, but that's not in Lake County.   I still don't think that Elgin Ohare route (390) gets anywhere near Elgin.  It does kind of make it to O'Hare now though.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #337 on: April 10, 2018, 05:32:20 PM »
I bet it'll be completed before CA finishes high-speed rail ;-)
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #338 on: April 10, 2018, 06:43:09 PM »
CA HSR is going to provide HS rail service between Fresno and Modesto in a few years. 

I have driven on a "freeway" in Chicago that was half a mile in length?

The Cincy streetcar is an object example in how the "developers" with connections make bank.

Then the city has to pay more millions to pull the rails up in a few years.

Stupid idea, but it's Cincy.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #339 on: April 10, 2018, 06:58:31 PM »
Sounds like the genius streetcar idea Milwaukee is building.  Hey it's free money (feds).  Now locals can get free rides from bar to bar.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #340 on: April 10, 2018, 07:13:34 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 10, 2018, 06:43:09 PM
CA HSR is going to provide HS rail service between Fresno and Modesto in a few years.


Can't wait. Connect the armpit and the arsehole. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #341 on: April 10, 2018, 08:34:19 PM »
Quote from: MarqHusker on April 10, 2018, 04:28:09 PM
I'm curious.  What route would this be?  US 41?   US 12?
Route 53 from Lake-Cook to +/- Route 120 in Grayslake, and then a split from there to I-94 along the Route 120 corridor.

Route 12 is never gonna happen. Wisconsin did its part, and Illinois walked on its part.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #342 on: April 10, 2018, 08:59:49 PM »
I figured Route 12 would never go anywhere, because of Fox Lake, among other spots along the route.
I wouldn't have guessed 53.   I bet Arlington Racetrack would've loved it.   That would be like finishing off a second Tri-State, sort of like 495 in Boston.
There's some good periodicals out there about roads that have never been constructed.   I bet they went to school on all of those studies in order to write them. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #343 on: April 10, 2018, 09:01:58 PM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #344 on: April 11, 2018, 04:35:33 PM »
Atlanta was to have a north-south freeway back in the 80s, but it knifed through some subdivisions that put up a winning fight against it, so the terminal parts were built including a rather complex interchange downtown, but the middle section of about 15 miles was dropped.  Instead they widened the existing freeway from 3 lanes to 7, which of course is mostly chocked anyway now.

New freeways seem to attract more cars.  You wonder where they were before.  We probably can avoid the freeways most of the time at our new digs.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #345 on: April 11, 2018, 04:45:39 PM »
The same people who argue against this Route 53 proposal were the ones who argued against the I-355 component of the system to the South.

I-355 is wildly popular among commuters and heavily used as a bypass for truck traffic looking to avoid I-294 snarls - which it has helped with.

Cars sitting in traffic for two hours is no good for air quality.

Build the highways and get them through. They are going to be on the road no matter what. May as well be for less time.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #346 on: April 11, 2018, 05:38:43 PM »
I was pondering the concept of building toll roads basically parallel but perhaps 10-20 miles offset from the current Interstate.  You could take your pick, and perhaps the toll road would carry only trucks, or only cars, and have speed limits of 85 mph.  All of the intercity freeways in France are tolls and they charge a lot to drive on them, but the alternative highways are generally pretty bad.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #347 on: April 11, 2018, 06:15:01 PM »
What would be "nice to see" is the outline of a plan, something starting with where we are today on CO2 emissions and where we plan to be in 2030, 2040, etc., how much it will cost, and how much it will lower global temperatures (according to the models).  I think that would be enlightening, even if it is only for the US (for now).

This gets more difficult as older nuclear power plants start to be taken off line of course.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #348 on: April 11, 2018, 06:16:22 PM »
There is some of that concept in place already. California and Chicago come to mind - Chicago more so in the spirit of your idea.

You can drive straight through the City for free. If you want to bypass it on a choice of two Tollways, it's will cost you. It costs double if you don't have the electronic transponder.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #349 on: April 11, 2018, 07:00:45 PM »
California toll roads are so expensive that it's effectively a luxury tax. 

I'm doing alright, but I basically avoid the toll roads unless I *REALLY* need to get somewhere fast. I'm not going to pay $10/day each way to drive the toll roads to/from work.
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