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Cincydawg

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5012 on: July 11, 2021, 09:15:16 AM »
It's pretty obvious, I think, that limiting US production of petroleum and NG doesn't do anything about DEMAND and usage, it merely shifts production somewhere else.

That "oil" (or bitumen) from Canada is still being shipped and refined even without the XL pipeline, by rail.

It doesn't help climate change unless you reduce the demand side, not supply (though rising prices will attenuate demand some of course).

I'm a bit surprised a carbon tax is not on the table.
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« Reply #5013 on: July 12, 2021, 05:10:07 PM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5014 on: July 14, 2021, 06:39:43 AM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5015 on: July 14, 2021, 09:45:44 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on July 14, 2021, 06:39:43 AM
Interesting.

China to Launch the World’s Largest Emissions-Trading Program - WSJ

So China will help other countries lower their co2 emissions while doing whatever they want at home
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5016 on: July 14, 2021, 04:21:26 PM »
European Union Unveils Climate Plan To Cut Emissions By 55% This Decade : NPR

World leaders agreed six years ago in Paris to work to keep global temperatures from increasing more than 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit), and ideally no more than 1.5 degrees C (2.7 F) by the end of the century. Scientists say both goals will be missed by a wide margin unless drastic steps are taken to reduce emissions.


Globally, "we" are already badly missing these goals.  Goals are pretty easy to set, and often difficult or impossible to meet.  I don't see any country taking "drastic steps" as I think of the term.
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« Reply #5017 on: July 23, 2021, 09:58:33 AM »
Interesting to see the Outer Banks spends millions every year to keep the beaches from shrinking. We saw a house that was too big to move that seems destined to be swallowed by the ocean. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5018 on: July 23, 2021, 10:24:40 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on July 23, 2021, 09:58:33 AM
Interesting to see the Outer Banks spends millions every year to keep the beaches from shrinking. We saw a house that was too big to move that seems destined to be swallowed by the ocean.
Down in Rodanthe, there are numerous (now abandoned) houses that are in the surf at high tide.  

FWIW, the beaches aren't shrinking, but the Banks are shifting southwest.  Nothing people can will stop that.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5019 on: July 23, 2021, 11:23:19 AM »
Man cannot control nature. It's futile to even try, and mostly a waste of money.
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« Reply #5020 on: July 23, 2021, 12:05:03 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on July 23, 2021, 11:23:19 AM
Man cannot control nature. It's futile to even try, and mostly a waste of money.
Exactly.  If you build an oceanfront house on the Outer Banks, you just have to accept that it will be in the ocean eventually.

Better yet, owners should pay into a fund to tear down houses that become uninhabitable when the ocean begins to encroach.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5021 on: July 23, 2021, 12:05:43 PM »
The Atlantic islands are all shifting south fairly quickly, and have been doing that for ages.

Thus far, the oceans have risen imperceptibly, and MSL is difficult to measure globally with that level of precision.  But humans are good at setting goals.
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« Reply #5022 on: July 23, 2021, 12:50:49 PM »
An interesting problem. Natural erosion and rising sea levels make development seem dumb, but develop they do. They showed us a house they just finished - 24 bed, 24 baths just near the beach.

I also read that there is a worldwide sand shortage, which I imagine won't help the bottom line of keeping the beaches where they are. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5023 on: July 23, 2021, 01:13:08 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on July 23, 2021, 12:50:49 PM
An interesting problem. Natural erosion and rising sea levels make development seem dumb, but develop they do. They showed us a house they just finished - 24 bed, 24 baths just near the beach.

I also read that there is a worldwide sand shortage, which I imagine won't help the bottom line of keeping the beaches where they are.
ok what wise guy out there is hoarding sand

fess up
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5024 on: July 23, 2021, 01:28:19 PM »
folks that need 24 bathrooms in the same house

now, they might need a pallet of TP
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« Reply #5025 on: July 23, 2021, 01:29:14 PM »
Need to go to UTee's house for that much TP.
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