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Cincydawg

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4844 on: May 08, 2021, 02:00:39 PM »
Paris is on the same latitude as Montreal.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4845 on: May 08, 2021, 02:18:24 PM »
Scottish comedian Frankie Boyle proposes cannibalism.

If everyone ate exactly one person, they would cut their carbon footprint in half.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4846 on: May 08, 2021, 02:21:38 PM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4847 on: May 08, 2021, 11:21:50 PM »
You would think with China being one of the countries who signed the 2016 Paris Agreement to combat climate change, the communist nation might have made some strides in the years since. Well, they did, only not in a positive way.

According to a report by the Rhodium Group, a group that provides “economic data analytics and policy insight” to both the private and public sectors, reported that “for the first time since national greenhouse gas emissions have been measured, China’s annual emissions exceeded those of all developed countries combined” in 2019.

The report noted:

Based on our newly updated preliminary estimates for 2019, global emissions—including emissions of all six Kyoto gases, inclusive of land-use and forests and international bunkers—reached 52 gigatons of CO2-equivalent in 2019, a 11.4% increase over the past decade. China alone contributed over 27% of total global emissions, far exceeding the US—the second highest emitter—which contributed 11% of the global total. For the first time, India edged out the EU-27 for third place, coming in at 6.6% of global emissions.

Judging by those numbers, China has 2.5 times the emissions than the U.S., who came in second, and four times the emissions of third place India.

But that’s not all. Since 1990, China has “more than tripled” their emissions.


https://www.mrctv.org/blog/report-chinas-carbon-emissions-greater-all-other-developed-countriescombined?fbclid=IwAR1WJVlHD6woeP5qPGXnZfwynuhhitYnouhu6gvCdQ9-JVyg2x0_hL_fe7w
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4848 on: May 09, 2021, 09:24:53 AM »
^^^^^^

All of that, while also beating us over the head with corporate collusion, rampant IP theft, and jingoistic and abusive trade policies.



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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4850 on: May 09, 2021, 09:46:35 AM »
CICERO

It is a question that I am asked a lot: Is the “well below” two degree target set out in the Paris Climate Agreement feasible?
Most recently, a study published in Nature Geoscience suggests that it could indeed still be feasible.
My answer is, yes, I think it is. But only in a theoretical sense, in a model. Not in practice.
Here is why.
Defining “well below” two degrees
The ambition of the Paris Agreement has become well-known:
“Holding the increase in the global average temperature to well below 2°C above pre-industrial levels and to pursue efforts to limit the temperature increase to 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels, recognizing that this would significantly reduce the risks and impacts of climate change.”
But the text is suitably ambiguous that many different interpretations are possible. Rather convenient for policy makers who need some wiggle room if they don’t deliver on their promises.
If we are to stand any chance of meeting the ambitions of the Paris Agreement, we first need to define exactly what “well below” two degrees centigrade means in practice.
The scientific community often expresses temperature targets with a given probability, to encompass uncertainties in the climate system. An important uncertainty is how much the climate may warm for a given amount of carbon dioxide emissions.



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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4851 on: May 09, 2021, 09:48:55 AM »
In recent years, the renewable technology sector has grown, particularly in solar, wind, and electric vehicles. This positive trend is welcome and must continue.
But to reduce emissions, we need to stop burning fossil fuels. Without carbon capture and storage, that means progressively phasing out coal, oil, and gas.
This means early retirement of existing fossil fuel infrastructure, particularly in developing countries that are currently increasing their stock of infrastructure despite cancelling some projects.
As fossil fuel infrastructure declines, low carbon infrastructure has to grow to replace it, while still maintaining security of energy supply. For this to happen with higher levels of renewable energy penetration, we will need new technologies, such as batteries and power demand management.

Very few scientists are happy to answer this question, particularly in a public forum.
Some are concerned the wrong answer may slowdown current mitigation efforts. Others argue it is not our role as scientists to prejudge what is feasible. Yet others argue that feasibility changes over time.
I see my role as a scientist to point out the obstacles and challenges, not just tell the positive news stories so others can sleep well at night. Understanding feasibility is important to adequately plan for adaptation and to ensure we get mitigation policies right.
Yes, I think “well below” two degrees is feasible in a model, in a theoretical sense. But not in practice. Why not?
First, policy will move along slower than expected because politicians have to balance competing objectives, and it is hard to see that climate will be the policy area that trumps all others.
Second, I am confident we will make technological progress in key areas, with government and business support, but I am less confident we can retire existing fossil fuel infrastructure at the required rates.
Third, carbon dioxide removal technologies are technically feasible, but I am sceptical that we can reach the scale of carbon dioxide removal required.
And finally, the most challenging mitigation will be in the countries that most desperately need economic growth.
My pessimism does not mean we should not try. It is important to distinguish between ambition and feasibility, and we can’t preclude technological, political, or social breakthroughs.
The only hope, is to hope that I am wrong.



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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4852 on: May 09, 2021, 09:49:33 AM »
I expect to see a few more folks fessing up, so to speak, and voicing some realism about the issue.

They won't get much play in MSM of course.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4853 on: May 09, 2021, 03:09:18 PM »
You would think with China being one of the countries who signed the 2016 Paris Agreement to combat climate change, the communist nation might have made some strides in the years since. Well, they did, only not in a positive way.
Ya well according to the CCP they only lost 5,900 or sum such to COVID.So how far off can the possibly be

And it snowed today on and off for about an hour,none of it stuck as the rain has taken over
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4854 on: May 09, 2021, 03:27:40 PM »
China  under Paris doesn't have to do anything until 2030, same with India.  I understand why this is the case, but both have an interest in setting a high mark for CO2 production so they can begin cutting it some after 2030.

Ostensibly.  And of course, if they fail to cut it then, there is no penalty beyond hand wringing.

But it's easy to make promises and set goals which no one will achieve.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4855 on: May 10, 2021, 12:30:37 PM »
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The science/policy interface is dealt with explicitly by Mann, Koonin and Morano. Koonin touches on some of the key issues regarding the disfunction at this interface.
With regards to mitigation. Morano argues that it isn’t necessary, Lomborg and Koonin argue that it is ineffective at influencing the climate, and Schellenberger and Gates argue for better technologies (with Schellenberger focused on nuclear).
While covering similar territory (climate politics), Morano’s book is the polar opposite of Mann’s book in terms of perspective and who are the villains. Both books are somewhat polemical, but present two very different political world views.
A wicked problem is characterized by multiple problem definitions, knowability, knowledge fragmentation, interest differentiation and a dysfunction distribution of power among stakeholders. These different perspectives clearly reflect the wickedness of the climate change problem.
The most useful way to grapple with this wickedness is to understand multiple perspectives on the problem. This involves individuals reading both Mann’s and Morano’s books, and not attempting to cancel the books that don’t align with your own perspective.



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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4857 on: May 11, 2021, 07:44:05 AM »
Suburbia:Where they tear out the trees & then name streets after them.

 

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