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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4340 on: February 26, 2021, 11:22:06 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 26, 2021, 11:08:35 AM
U.N. says carbon-cutting pledges by countries nowhere near enough (cnbc.com)

The world’s pledges so far are only enough to reduce global carbon dioxide emissions to less than 1% below 2010 levels by 2030.
The world has to cut carbon pollution 45% below 2010 levels to achieve the more stringent official Paris goal of limiting future warming to another half a degree (0.3 degrees Celsius) from now, U.N. officials said.
“We are very, very far from where we need to be,” U.N. climate chief Patricia Espinosa said. “What we need to put on the table is much more radical and much more transformative than we have been doing until now.”




This stuff really annoys me for obvious reasons.  It's time to face up to reality and quite pretending pledges are going to change anything.  And the pledges are not nearly enough anyway according to the models.  This simply isn't happening.

Face reality.
and while the rest of the world is trying to cut carbon emissions China is just smiling and plotting 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4341 on: February 26, 2021, 11:46:57 AM »
The rest of the world is trying to generate an illusion they are cutting emissions enough to matter.  They really aren't, and it's not close.  You can read the MIT Climate Assessment, and they are not "deniers".

It's time to face reality.  Or pray the models are wrong in the right direction.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4342 on: February 26, 2021, 11:49:48 AM »
What Can Be Done About Climate Change | MIT Climate Portal

If, by 2030, we cut our carbon emissions in about half – and, by 2050, we don’t emit any more carbon emissions than the planet can absorb each year – scientists predict that we can avoid the worst threats of climate change.

Summarized from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)
 
 Special Report, Global Warming of 1.5°C (https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/)

Stipulate this is true, fine.  It's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.  There is NO practicable scenario to believe this is remotely possible.  None.  We are WAY off.

So, we can continue pretending rejoining Paris means something, it doesn't, or we can face FACTS.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4343 on: February 26, 2021, 11:52:42 AM »
I don't know what "face reality" means.  Sounds like burfle.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4344 on: February 26, 2021, 11:54:25 AM »
Global CO2 emissions continue to rise but EU bucks global trend | EU Science Hub (europa.eu)

Yay, Europe cut emissions nearly 4% in a year.  Nice job.  Irrelevant.  The US managed a 2.6% drop, under Trump.  Yay.  Say we get to 4% a year.  And it gets harder as time goes on in part because we'll need more energy.  

The largest percentage increase in emissions between 2018 and 2019 was found in China (+3.4%), followed by India (+1.6%), while Japan reduced its fossil CO2 emissions by 2.1%, the United States by 2.6% and Russia by 0.8%.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4345 on: February 26, 2021, 11:56:04 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on February 26, 2021, 11:52:42 AM
I don't know what "face reality" means.  Sounds like burfle.

I can't imagine how that could be misunderstood.  It obviously means "We are not going to meet these goals, no matter what.  So, perhaps we should deal with that reality and consider what else might be needed instead of pretending we're going to meet unrealistic goals."

It's akin  to the new coach at Eastern Michigan setting as a goal to win the NC in five years.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4346 on: February 26, 2021, 12:01:21 PM »
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« Reply #4347 on: February 26, 2021, 12:10:07 PM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4348 on: February 26, 2021, 12:56:45 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 26, 2021, 11:56:04 AM
I can't imagine how that could be misunderstood.  It obviously means "We are not going to meet these goals, no matter what.  So, perhaps we should deal with that reality and consider what else might be needed instead of pretending we're going to meet unrealistic goals."

It's akin  to the new coach at Eastern Michigan setting as a goal to win the NC in five years.
If he sets the goal of winning the national championship and merely wins the MAC three times, has he really failed?
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4349 on: February 26, 2021, 12:58:14 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 26, 2021, 11:56:04 AM
It's akin  to the new coach at Eastern Michigan UNC setting as a goal to win the NC in five years.
That's just mean they weren't bothering you so I FIFY
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« Reply #4350 on: February 26, 2021, 12:59:19 PM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4351 on: February 26, 2021, 01:02:38 PM »
4th straight day with temps climbing above 32
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4352 on: February 26, 2021, 01:04:42 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 26, 2021, 12:01:21 PM



Sure the Earth's temperatures have fluxuated wildly over all human history, and they fluxuated quite a bit more wildly before human history. But right now we are at the exact perfect temperature that the Earth is supposed to be for the rest of time, and must do everything in our power to make sure that it never changes again. Nothing could possibl-eye go wrong when man tries to control nature. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4353 on: February 26, 2021, 01:07:44 PM »
If you set a goal, and fail to meet it, you failed to meet it.  We're not even going to get close to these goals.

The notion it is at all rational to talk about cutting emissions in half by 2030 should just stop being part of any conversation.  We should consider what is going to happen as a result and how to mitigate that.

I'd like to lose 30 pounds.  If I tried and lost 10, it would be a something.  We're looking at maybe losing a pound, at best.

It really is that bad, despite the trillions we likely will throw at the problem.
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