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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4214 on: February 15, 2021, 07:42:09 PM »
They make nice computers, I like mine.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4215 on: February 15, 2021, 07:46:22 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 15, 2021, 07:42:09 PM
They make nice computers, I like mine.


Glad you like it.  At last count I think I have... 7...  Dell computers operating amongst my household.  And a crap-ton of cool monitors.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4216 on: February 15, 2021, 07:49:23 PM »
The wife bought a new Apple laptop a couple year back because her son said they were easy to use.  Next thing I know she enrolled in some course on how to use an Apple computer.  She was already computer savvy, but apparently it was complicated.

I was mystified.  Mine new one had a couple of things I didn't understand at first but it got sorted out.

I've used Apples before myself.  Over priced in my opinion, but I own a good bit of Apple stock and the Stepson works there.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4217 on: February 15, 2021, 08:14:32 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on February 15, 2021, 07:46:22 PM
Glad you like it.  At last count I think I have... 7...  Dell computers operating amongst my household.  And a crap-ton of cool monitors.
no wonder the grid is overloaded!!!
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4218 on: February 15, 2021, 08:59:24 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on February 15, 2021, 08:14:32 PM
no wonder the grid is overloaded!!!
yep I suspect utee works for the CIA
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4219 on: February 15, 2021, 09:33:13 PM »
and his boss, Michael Dell and his estate, have a MUCH larger carbon footprint than us poor dirt farmers
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4220 on: February 15, 2021, 09:54:46 PM »
Speaking of power I read the bitcoin is a major drain on electricity and waste. This is not something I understand.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4221 on: February 15, 2021, 10:55:25 PM »
all that electronic mining
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4222 on: February 16, 2021, 12:43:32 AM »
They get stuck in slot machines which in turn short circuit
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4223 on: February 16, 2021, 07:07:57 AM »


How much do you guess a "climate bill" or program would reduce our net CO2 output over time, versus the "no bill" situation?

That should be calculable if we knew what was in some climate bill (I took a guess earlier).  What would you like to see in said bill, if you want one?  And how much difference would it make by 2030 or 2040 or even 2050 versus the null case scenario?

Say we're now at 400 million metric tons.  Note that even the COVID shut downs were a minor blip.

COVID curbed carbon emissions in 2020 — but not by much (nature.com)

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4224 on: February 16, 2021, 07:09:05 AM »
Record CO2 emissions drop in 2020 won't do much to halt climate change | New Scientist
Record CO2 emissions drop in 2020 won't do much to halt climate change | New Scientist

A record 7 per cent drop in global carbon emissions this year will make no difference to long-term climate change, say researchers.
The annual Global Carbon Budget report found covid-19 lockdowns reversed years of emissions rising worldwide, with France and the UK experiencing the steepest drops due to their long-lasting restrictions, at 15 and 13 per cent respectively.
Globally, the burning of fossil fuels released 34.1 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide in 2020, down 2.3 billion tonnes on last year, the Global Carbon Budget team found. The biggest fall was the 0.84 billion tonnes of CO2 drop from transport, especially road traffic, with a steep dive in April when many countries had imposed limits on travel. After April, global emissions began recovering towards pre-pandemic heights.
Team member Pierre Friedlingstein at the University of Exeter, UK, says we risk a repeat of the rebound in emissions after the 2009 financial crash. “The drop in 2020 alone, compared to what is accumulating in the atmosphere to now and what will continue to accumulate in the future, it would make no difference in the long run. To make a difference, this trend needs to be continued.”


Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2262513-record-co2-emissions-drop-in-2020-wont-do-much-to-halt-climate-change/#ixzz6mdSnvEXW
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4225 on: February 16, 2021, 07:16:28 AM »
This is my on going point, it's not really subject to debate.  We KNOW this, we just pretend that ignoring it will be fine.  I see no point in pretending some sort of "climate legislation" will really work, here or anywhere else.  It's past time to face hard realities.

Global CO2 emissions to drop 4-7% in 2020, but will it matter? (phys.org)

Under the 2015 Paris climate treaty, nearly 200 nations pledged to cap global warming at "well below" 2C.
But the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) subsequently determined that 1.5C is a far safer temperature guardrail.
The pandemic has underscored just how difficult it will be to hit that more ambitious target.
Emissions must fall 7.6 percent—in line with the worst-case lockdown scenario for 2020—every year this decade to ensure the 1.5C cap, unless other means are found to remove carbon from the atmosphere, scientists calculate.
"The pandemic has shown us that major structural changes in the transport and energy systems are required," noted Mark Maslin, a professor of climatology at University College London.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4226 on: February 16, 2021, 07:41:16 AM »
Global CO2 emissions 2018-2050
Published by Ian Tiseo, Oct 7, 2020
 Based on a business-as-usual trend, global carbon dioxide emissions are forecast to increase to some 43.08 billion metric tons in 2050, in comparison to 35.3 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide in 2018. Carbon dioxide emissions reached its highest level in 2018 due to a strong economy and extreme weather conditions. Summers with heatwaves push air conditioning usage and harsher winters lead to more heating. A booming economy has a greater thirst for energy than one that is struggling or even in recession.


So, what legislation is going to cut this SIGNIFICANTLY?  Time to understand reality instead of fairy tales.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4227 on: February 16, 2021, 07:48:06 AM »
Emissions go higher and higher.  It looks well past time to admit that the do nothing approach is simply a fairy tale that never worked.
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