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Cincydawg

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3948 on: January 28, 2021, 12:48:30 PM »
I'd still like to see the outline of some kind of a plan that included:

Cost over time
Benefit over time
Outline of how we transition from coal and NG and petroleum to whatever else.

There is a reason such a "plan" does not exist.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3949 on: January 28, 2021, 01:14:47 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 28, 2021, 12:48:30 PM
I'd still like to see the outline of some kind of a plan that included:

Cost over time
Benefit over time
Outline of how we transition from coal and NG and petroleum to whatever else.

There is a reason such a "plan" does not exist.
its the benefit over time part thats the question

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3950 on: January 28, 2021, 06:13:48 PM »
Earth Has Lost 28 Trillion Tons of Ice since the Mid-1990s - Scientific American

In the 1990s, the world was losing around 800 billion metric tons of ice each year. Today, that number has risen to around 1.2 trillion tons.

Altogether, the planet lost a whopping 28 trillion tons of ice between 1994 and 2017.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3951 on: January 28, 2021, 06:23:46 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 28, 2021, 06:13:48 PM
Earth Has Lost 28 Trillion Tons of Ice since the Mid-1990s - Scientific American

In the 1990s, the world was losing around 800 billion metric tons of ice each year. Today, that number has risen to around 1.2 trillion tons.

Altogether, the planet lost a whopping 28 trillion tons of ice between 1994 and 2017.


the earth is over 4 billion years old

has this ever happened before
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3952 on: January 28, 2021, 06:25:34 PM »
No doubt it has.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3953 on: January 28, 2021, 06:28:49 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on January 28, 2021, 06:23:46 PM
the earth is over 4 billion years old

has this ever happened before
The earth has undergone 5 known mass extinctions in the planet's history. 

Nothing we, as humans, do is going to hurt the earth. It's bigger and stronger and will recover anything we're capable of. 

We just might merely make it uninhabitable for humans. I doubt the planet would mind.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3954 on: January 28, 2021, 07:18:55 PM »
Worst case scenario for climate change won't make it uninhabitable for humans.  It could cause some rather serious reductions in population.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3955 on: January 28, 2021, 07:28:17 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 28, 2021, 07:18:55 PM
Worst case scenario for climate change won't make it uninhabitable for humans.  It could cause some rather serious reductions in population.
John Kerry said today that the US could cut its carbon emissions to zero and it would make no difference in global warming

If thats the belief why all the push to spend gazillions of taxpayer money on this
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3956 on: January 28, 2021, 07:35:48 PM »
I don't know what he said exactly, but it would make a small difference, as it would mean a quarter reduction in the CO2 budget.

We can't do it of course so it hypothetical.

Could you link to what he actually said?
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3957 on: January 28, 2021, 07:36:52 PM »
“He knows Paris alone is not enough,” Kerry told reporters at a White House press briefing, referring to Biden re-entering the US in the Paris Climate Agreement in one of his first acts as president.
“Not when almost 90 percent of all of the planet’s global emissions come from outside of US borders. We could go to zero tomorrow and the problem isn’t solved,” Kerry conceded.
The former secretary of state, now Biden’s climate envoy, acknowledged that it would be difficult to bring the world’s top polluters to the table, including China, which produces 30 percent of the world’s carbon emissions.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3958 on: January 28, 2021, 10:05:05 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 28, 2021, 07:35:48 PM
I don't know what he said exactly, but it would make a small difference, as it would mean a quarter reduction in the CO2 budget.

We can't do it of course so it hypothetical.

Could you link to what he actually said?
https://nypost.com/2021/01/27/kerry-zero-emissions-wont-make-difference-in-climate-change/
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3959 on: January 28, 2021, 10:06:18 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 28, 2021, 07:36:52 PM
“He knows Paris alone is not enough,” Kerry told reporters at a White House press briefing, referring to Biden re-entering the US in the Paris Climate Agreement in one of his first acts as president.
“Not when almost 90 percent of all of the planet’s global emissions come from outside of US borders. We could go to zero tomorrow and the problem isn’t solved,” Kerry conceded.
The former secretary of state, now Biden’s climate envoy, acknowledged that it would be difficult to bring the world’s top polluters to the table, including China, which produces 30 percent of the world’s carbon emissions.



I wouldnt trust China on anything
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3960 on: January 29, 2021, 09:17:21 AM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on January 28, 2021, 07:28:17 PM
John Kerry said today that the US could cut its carbon emissions to zero and it would make no difference in global warming

If thats the belief why all the push to spend gazillions of taxpayer money on this
He said the problem wouldn't be solved, not that it would make no difference.

Obviously it would make SOME difference, just not being an entire solution.  And yes, we're fools to think China won't play us on this.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3961 on: January 29, 2021, 10:40:26 AM »
The Paris agreement has no teeth, and the worst offenders aren't about to sign anything that DOES.  
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